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NoHaveMSG 02-17-2023 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3569126)
Yeah, that would be the right way to do it, but that means I cannot order until after I have the coilovers installed and lower the car and set ride height. If there's a known good configuration, I'm going to go with that.

I didn't actually measure the ride heights before lifting the car either so we're going to see what happens when I stick the perches in the center of the recommended range and adjust from there. :thumbsup:

Ah, yeah good point.

Spuds 02-17-2023 11:42 PM

Ordered the endlinks from Advance Auto of all places. Cheapest option that supposedly gets it to me next week. Hopefully that turns out well...

Whiteline USA was not inspiring me with confidence by not having the part number on the page.

Spuds 02-19-2023 12:16 AM

Finished the exhaust install today. I bought oem header nuts, was holding them in my hand, then said "F* it" and torqued the lock nuts down lol.

They definitely ground down the threads just a bit going on, but I realized that all those threads were above the actual nut so I didn't really need to worry. It was about 8 ftlb of torque needed to just run the nuts up to the flange, so I split the difference when I set the wrench to 26ftlb instead of 22 which is the spec.

Used the lock nuts on the overpipe to header connection as well, but oem nuts on the overpipe to midpipe.

Now I need to figure out how openflash manager and romraider work again...

Spuds 02-24-2023 12:02 AM

Suspension Part 3 - Front Struts
 
So I was able to R&R the struts this past weekend. RCE's instructions were good, got me 90% of the way there with some common sense filling in the rest.

Removal was pretty straightforward per instructions (with the exception of endlinks, but I already talked about that lol) Remove lines and hoses from strut, then unbolt the hub, then remove the nuts holding the strut on. Getting the bottom hub nut off was made difficult by the brake line coming out of the caliper in exactly the wrong position. I was using a deep socket with my impact driver, but could have used a short extension on top of that to get past the brake line. Also found yet another use for my transmission jack, as a stool for sitting.

I did a quick comparison without disassembling anything and it looks like you might lose somewhere between 1/4" and 1/2" of drop with the Vorshlag plates vs what you get with the standard RCE perches on OEM top mounts, if that matters to anyone who reads this.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=13089

I set both front and back coilovers lower perch height to the middle of the range given in the RCE instructions. I did not measure the car beforehand, but I figured this might be a good starting point. Debating whether to lower the front/raise the rear a bit right now based on the Vorshlag note above. Also set all bump/rebound settings to recommended settings in the RCE recommended settings document that is separate from the install instructions.

Getting the T2 struts on was also pretty straightforward using the instructions. Basically the reverse of removal. Some notes:
-Vorshlag lock nuts are 13mm, not 12 like OEM. I thought I was going crazy for a minute lol.
-The washers for said nuts go on the nut side of the car, not the camber plate side. I learned this the hard way. Lock nuts are annoying to unscrew and rescrew.
-Make sure you put the wheel speed sensor clips on with the release facing out, especially if they are already closed without the line in them. I also learned this the hard way.
-The tapered bolt for the left hand strut goes in reverse of OEM. This is great, why don't they both do that!?! Ok I know it's cost savings for manufacturing both brackets to be identical but access to the nut is easier on the back side. I just did both in reverse.
-If you have the same Pittsburgh 1/2" drive torque wrench I do, be careful of hitting the end on the fender when tightening the lower nuts. I learned this the hard way as well :(.
-I noticed the lower nuts were coated in the Subaru pink threadlocker. Applied some blue Locktite. Probably not necessary.

The T2s have a slotted upper hole so I pushed the hub/bolt all the way inboard before tightening to get some of that sweet camber. I'm assuming that's the right way to do that, then dial it in with the camber plate on top. Tightening the nut seemed to try to back the hub off from that position so holding it there until friction was high enough was necessary.

Also interesting to note. T2 struts with Vorshlag top mounts weighed in at 13lb each, approximately 1.5lb less than the OEM struts and top mounts.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=13088
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=13087

Spuds 03-05-2023 07:14 PM

I got the suspension done, but I'll be doing the writeup at a later time. Now I'm looking at what changes are being made between my tweaked stage 1 (that I've been running for years) and stage 2+ oft ots tunes. I'm sure this is written down somewhere and discussed already, but I figured I'd keep my running list of notes here:

Timing:
-Stg2+ zeroed out the compensation per cylinder tables. Never really knew what this did but my guess is zeroing it reduces complexity of what the ecu does. End effect should be increased timing at the top end?
-IAT compensation is different. I remember adjusting this on mine, but it looks like the whole table is shifted a cell on 2+. Or I screwed up mine and that's why I dropped IAM a bit when it got hot...
-Base and KC Advance tables are the same except for the high rpm and load quadrant, which the 2+ map gets quite a bit more aggressive. These add more timing (sometimes 4° or more) where it appears the per-cylinder compensation tables were originally pulling 1-2° for a total of ~6-7°. Seems like stage 1 left a ton on the table that header unlocks, or there might be something odd with the definitions file making compensation per cylinder negative? Need to look into these.
-Everything else is the same.

Fueling:
-Same except for the same general region as timing. Stg2+ leans out the high speed/load corner of the map. Headers are either magical or I feel like I'm going to get a bit more knock at the top.
-MAF scale is increased by ~1% in the upper third of the range. Interesting as the stg1 maf scale was just about perfect for my car.

AVCS:
-Reminder to myself if I make any changes to these, make them for both "safe" and "normal", OFT tunes have these set the same.
-Exhaust table seems to have eliminated the lump between 2000 and 3200. Other than that, it's added ~+5° retard at the top end. I have a feeling I'm going to have to play with this one a bit to match the headers, but that's going to be all new territory for me.
-Intake table seems to just have eliminated some strange valleys at the low end and smoothed out the rest. The biggest changes are below 3200rpm and high load (which probably is a region the car won't be in). Stg1 had this set at 40 where stgè+ has this set down at 10. Interesting to see what happens if I try to get there while driving.

Bunch o logging im going to have to do I think to see how well it performs.

Spuds 03-09-2023 12:18 AM

Suspension Part 4: Rear LCAs.
 
Okokok. Let's get this part out of the way. These things are way too pretty to be put under the car. But that's where they go so I got on with it.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=13092

First step is removing the old LCAs. It was interesting to me that all the rear suspension components are basically held down by the strut and want to lift when it is removed. That's a product of the bushings being held in compression I think. I wound up removing the strut first per the RCE instructions, but I'd just remove the LCA and let the strut hang there for a minute if I were to do this again.

Assembly instructions from the Verus support site were good. Straightforward to put together but a bit tricky to get set right. Took me a while to figure out how to do the adjustments off the car. I set the rough measurements equal to using the method in the pics below, measuring between a bolt and the furthest point on the hub hole. (~18.25" for me)

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=13093

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=13094

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=13095

It's not perfect, but it doesn't have to be until measuring the camber on the car. But me being a perfectionist, I counted the threads on the adjustors to get it even lol.

Assembled weight of each is 2.2 lb, about 1.4 lb lighter than stock with a similar center of mass. Honestly it's light enough that I second guessed myself on actually using it lol.

Reassembly required a bit of force. Had to flex the forks just a bit to get them to fit around the new coilovers. Don't know if that is necessary on stock coilovers. Bonus of this design is ot makes accessing the bump adjustment easier btw.

Got all the holes lined up one at a time. Odd mix of wrenches needed for the new hardware that comes with the LCAs, but it's all noted in the instructions. Then I tightened the nuts on the adjustor. I need bigger wrenches ...

Fun fact, the reused inboard nut is both a top lock nut and seems to have been coated in Subaru's pink thread locker. :iono:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=13096

Spuds 03-10-2023 10:29 PM

Suspension Part 5: Rear Coilovers
 
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4/11 edit: Ok, so I was intending to show some pics here and talk a bit about the install. But I'm now one broken phone and 6 problems later so I lost the pics and forgot things. Install went fine following instructions. Some tips I do remember:

1. Make sure you have a magnet on an extendable stick. It's really easy for the top mount nuts to fall deep behind the rear seat or otherwise under stuff. Happened to me twice and I went fishing.

2. Just pull the LCA off the spindle. It will save the effort of trying to push the spindle down far enough, then have to remove the bolt anyway.

3. I was surprised that everything on the rear suspension wanted to move upwards when disconnected from the coilover. Bushings all seem to be flexing rather than rotating so natural full droop is actually above where the strut forces the suspension to.

Planning to cut the trunk sides somehow to get easier access to the top adjustments, but didn't do that yet.

Spuds 03-10-2023 10:45 PM

Fun story: did the sway bar install, but I'm fairly certain I used the wrong grease. When I unpacked the instructions I lost the grease packet that came with it. After some searching I found an unopened grease packet that looked a bit like the one I saw with the instructions and did the install. Now I can't manually rotate the sway bar in the bushings at all (endlinks not connected yet).

Grease packet says it's energy suspension formula 5. Was super sticky, maybe I should have double checked when I realized that...

Is this normal or do I have to pull the damn thing back out again?

Edit:. Further research indicates this is probably the right grease... Hmmm still seems odd

Spuds 03-16-2023 11:00 PM

Sway bar saga part two! Made a thread about this here (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152754). Basically I gotta wait for Perrin to sort out their bushing supply before they can send a new set. In the meantime, it should be good with some shims to get the car down and set the endlink length, drive around the "block", set ride height and do the alignment. Why yes, I am going to attempt a string alignment myself. This should be fun.

Oh and first autox event of the year is on the 2nd...

Spuds 03-18-2023 08:43 PM

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So while waiting for new swaybar bushings, I got the car on the ground to start getting ride height and alignment done. Eyeballing the toe, seems fine to drive a bit considering it's on old dead tires I need to replace anyway. Took it for a slow drive around the neighborhood. Some notes on that:

-Turns lock to lock with no problems, but didn't want to return to center by itself near full lock. Odd considering I now have more caster. Maybe alignment will make this better?
-Now getting a clunk/thud from the rear when I release the clutch in gear, especially in reverse. Possibly this "driveline lash" I've read about?
-Car tracks pretty straight as far as I could tell. Still going to put a string box together for toe.

Edit: Clunk is normal effect of the diff bushings. Same driveline lash, new sound.

Spuds 03-19-2023 10:33 PM

So, got initial measurements, working on figuring out what to target.

Height:
FL: 14 0/16" FR: 14 2/16"
RL: 14 1/16" RR: 14 3/16"

Not too bad, considering I set perch height with a caliper... I also only have 1/4 tank of gas. I think I'm going to try to get just over 13.75" up front and maybe 1/8-1/4" higher in the back. Which puts me at about an inch from official stock numbers up front and, when I fill the gas tank, should drop the rear .8-ish from stock.

This is where I mention the left rear of the parking space in the garage is about 0.5" lower than the other 3 wheels. Didn't think to get some plywood under it until after it was lifted again.

Camber as measured:
FL: -1.2° FR: -2.4°
RL: -1.3° RR: -2.5°

I don't really believe these are completely accurate at the moment. Did some adjustments on the top hats for now to add a bit up front. Looking for 2.3°. I'll wait on the rear for round 2 I think.

Spuds 03-25-2023 02:20 PM

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Up down up down up down...

Setting ride height and camber. Going for a short drive after each adjustment. On my 4th attempt now, but the 3rd attempt numbers were really close. Over adjusted the front left too low, so I have to go up 3/16", but that should make it pretty close side to side. Back is currently around 13 and 15/16" which is about where I want it. My hope is bringing the front left up a bit will drop the rear right 1/16 to be perfectly even. Springs are tricky lol.

Camber-wise. I've managed to get the hang of adjusting the measured angle for the ~0.3° slope of the garage. I got a magnetic digital angle gauge and I measure to the brake rotor. Add .3 on one side and subtract from the other (after confirming with straight edge between the wheels).

Got the front camber to about -2.3 even on both sides. It bothers me slightly that the camber plates have to be set asymmetrically, but such is reality. I think just the slots on the struts are good for about -1° (+-.3° side to side). The rest had to be camber plates. I think I could probably get a max of -4° on the right side, and -3.5° on the left side of I maxed out the Vorshlag camber plates.

Still struggling with rear camber. I started with about a degree of difference so I extended the left LCA about 3mm. That got it to about 0.8° of difference. Wondering how far I can extend the LCA. It's probably fine to go pretty far out considering Verus says you can get 7° out of it. The adjustments threw my rear toe out of alignment of course. Quite noticable on the short drive last night.

Why am I typing stuff up here rather than finishing the work? I stripped the set screw hole on the spring perch. :bonk:. I'm going to try and find a larger set screw (just goes through plastic) as a temporary fix today. RCE has spare parts of course so the right solution is to disassemble the coilover and reassemble with a new spring perch. I suppose I could also drill a new hole, but would probably want to disassemble the coilover to do that...

Shout-out to Andrew @RCE for answering the text on a Saturday. Some pics of the process below.

Spuds 03-26-2023 10:56 PM

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First time setting up the string box to get an actual toe measurement. The rear has been difficult (thread) but in messing around with the toe and camber adjustment randomly I seem to have hit the jackpot on the left at least lol. Too bad I have to mess it up because the camber is too high...

Also gave up on using the digital gauge for camber. Useful for shimming the car to level, and getting real time feedback, at least up front. Hanging some string is better and more consistent.

V My ultra professional readout lol. V

Ultramaroon 03-26-2023 11:18 PM

14/16? That's pretty close to 7/8, isn't it?


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