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thekevinvo 08-31-2022 11:01 AM

2022 GR86 & BRZ RTV Issue Explained
 
For those of you who are curious about the RTV issue that's blown up on the 22 GR86 & BRZ, I've accumulated a lot of the info and added visuals to show why people are finding RTV on their dipstick, in their oil filters, and in their oil pickups. I'm a visual person so being able to see the beads of RTV after dropping the oil pan was beneficial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pFDNCK9rYU

andys_garage 08-31-2022 12:19 PM

Great info, thanks for the video. Good reassurance that they cover NASA events because I just finished my first one this weekend :bellyroll:. Hopefully a TSB/recall gets issued soon.

OkieSnuffBox 08-31-2022 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by andys_garage (Post 3544586)
Hopefully a TSB/recall gets issued soon.

There will not be unless engine failures because of it become FAR more common than they currently are. Which is too say, not common at all.

Not sure why this idea of a TSB/recall continues to be brought up everywhere.

Between the GR and BRZ, there have been approximately 8000 sold for the 2022 model year.

greengs 08-31-2022 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3544588)
There will not be unless engine failures because of it become FAR more common than they currently are. Which is too say, not common at all.

Not sure why this idea of a TSB/recall continues to be brought up everywhere.

Between the GR and BRZ, there have been approximately 8000 sold for the 2022 model year.

I haven't followed this that closely. How many confirmed failures have there been because of this?

Lantanafrs2 08-31-2022 01:23 PM

Only the factory can really explain it.

Pat 08-31-2022 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2 (Post 3544604)
Only the factory can really explain it.

Why is that?

NoHaveMSG 08-31-2022 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3544588)
There will not be unless engine failures because of it become FAR more common than they currently are. Which is too say, not common at all.

Not sure why this idea of a TSB/recall continues to be brought up everywhere.

Between the GR and BRZ, there have been approximately 8000 sold for the 2022 model year.

There were barely any failures of the valve spring that prompted the J02 recall. I don't think I had seen a single post on this forum about an actual valve spring failure.

Tcoat 08-31-2022 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3544609)
There were barely any failures of the valve spring that prompted the J02 recall. I don't think I had seen a single post on this forum about an actual valve spring failure.

There were two valve spring failures reported on here. The majority of the failures occurred in Crosstreks and Impreza's. There were only a couple of hundred of them reported which is a drop in the bucket considering the recall covered over 160,000 vehicles.

Tcoat 08-31-2022 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3544588)
There will not be unless engine failures because of it become FAR more common than they currently are. Which is too say, not common at all.

Not sure why this idea of a TSB/recall continues to be brought up everywhere.

Between the GR and BRZ, there have been approximately 8000 sold for the 2022 model year.

It took them 6 years from knowledge of the problem to issuing the recall for the valve springs so even if they do something people better not hold their breath.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...8V772-0340.pdf

Loads of good reading on the FACTS of the recall here for anybody else ambitious enough to actually go through it all.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/c...72&docType=RCL

Ultramaroon 08-31-2022 04:34 PM

Jeez... so many self-proclaimed experts scrambling for attention.

Opie 08-31-2022 04:43 PM

Video bothers me for a few reasons;
* says Subaru corporate denied Blake's warranty. False, dealership and local Toyota distributorship denied the repair. Toyota corporate rectofied that.

* says the warranty was denied because of Blake's participation in a test & tune picture and video. Heresay, that is the assumption. Nothing documented by the dealership supports this.

Just seems to be looking for views on a subject already beaten to death...

Tcoat 08-31-2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Opie (Post 3544659)
Video bothers me for a few reasons;
* says Subaru corporate denied Blake's warranty. False, dealership and local Toyota distributorship denied the repair. Toyota corporate rectofied that.

* says the warranty was denied because of Blake's participation in a test & tune picture and video. Heresay, that is the assumption. Nothing documented by the dealership supports this.

Just seems to be looking for views on a subject already beaten to death...

"I'm not including the the actual process of removing the oil pan in this video because it is a long enough video on it's own"

Opens and closes this video with clips of removing the oil pan. That 20 seconds more to show what was found would make this too long!
Mind you it was already too long about a minute in so I guess he has a point.

FrickingReallySlow 08-31-2022 05:59 PM

Money shifting seems to an issues with these cars... Recalls incoming :) Kevin / ftspeed makes great install videos though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na-bJIooAU0

Tcoat 08-31-2022 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow (Post 3544677)
Money shifting seems to an issues with these cars... Recalls incoming :) Kevin / ftspeed makes great install videos though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na-bJIooAU0

As I have said before I bet money shifts have taken out more of these cars (including first gen) than all the blocked pickups, bad recall work and any other actual defect put together.
Just rare that somebody actually admits it and not try to find a way to point the finger at the manufacturer.

greengs 09-01-2022 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3544683)
As I have said before I bet money shifts have taken out more of these cars (including first gen) than all the blocked pickups, bad recall work and any other actual defect put together.
Just rare that somebody actually admits it and not try to find a way to point the finger at the manufacturer.

They should just decline to sell any of these cars to anyone under 40

Tcoat 09-01-2022 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greengs (Post 3544791)
They should just decline to sell any of these cars to anyone under 40

Don't know if there is an age limit on miss shifts though.
Us old guys can just get confused sometimes.

https://c.tenor.com/GEB_waeq-h4AAAAd/manual-shift.gif

Rustyoid 09-01-2022 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by greengs (Post 3544791)
They should just decline to sell any of these cars to anyone under 40

well my dad moneyshifted mine on his first pull, 3-2 :lol:

but he caught it right away, clutch didn't fully engage and was only shifting from around 6500, no harm done :iono:

Tcoat 09-01-2022 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rustyoid (Post 3544808)
well my dad moneyshifted mine on his first pull, 3-2 :lol:

but he caught it right away, clutch didn't fully engage and was only shifting from around 6500, no harm done :iono:

That was just an IOU shift then.
Gotta' go for the gusto to qualify as a money shift!

OkieSnuffBox 09-01-2022 02:34 PM

What is the point of sharing a money shift video in this thread?

Tcoat 09-01-2022 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3544813)
What is the point of sharing a money shift video in this thread?

It is also a sealant video.

https://c.tenor.com/eelBbRoLqycAAAAC...-two-birds.gif

greengs 09-01-2022 04:37 PM

Haha, fair enough.

Blighty 09-02-2022 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3544683)
As I have said before I bet money shifts have taken out more of these cars (including first gen) than all the blocked pickups, bad recall work and any other actual defect put together.
Just rare that somebody actually admits it and not try to find a way to point the finger at the manufacturer.

If I recall correctly the car that blow the engine with all the media coverage, did have a small overrev event of I think 7900 not that long before the failure.

It seems that perhaps there was a good reason why they ended up lowering the rev limit from 7500 to 7400. I was hoping to have a 2-300 increase in my rev limit once we got the ecutek tunes out (apparently about 4-6 weeks away), but I don't think I'll be taking that path anymore.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 09-02-2022 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greengs (Post 3544791)
They should just decline to sell any of these cars to anyone under 40


Then they won't sell sports cars at all, basically shutting out half of the demographic that buys these is probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

Sasquachulator 09-02-2022 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 3544942)
Then they won't sell sports cars at all, basically shutting out half of the demographic that buys these is probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

Arent most young owners actually using mommy and daddy's money to buy the cars?.....

OkieSnuffBox 09-02-2022 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blighty (Post 3544932)
If I recall correctly the car that blow the engine with all the media coverage, did have a small overrev event of I think 7900 not that long before the failure.

It seems that perhaps there was a good reason why they ended up lowering the rev limit from 7500 to 7400. I was hoping to have a 2-300 increase in my rev limit once we got the ecutek tunes out (apparently about 4-6 weeks away), but I don't think I'll be taking that path anymore.

Where did you hear this?

CincyJohn 09-02-2022 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3545023)
Where did you hear this?

The forum that shall not be named.

greengs 09-02-2022 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 3544942)
Then they won't sell sports cars at all, basically shutting out half of the demographic that buys these is probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

That was a joke based on what it seems is the TikTok, YT young crowd freaking out about this online.

But the reality is that average age of a new car buyer is around 50. It's somewhat lower than that for a BRZ/GT86 but definitely not in the 20s or whatever.

Pat 09-02-2022 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greengs (Post 3545030)
That was a joke based on what it seems is the TikTok, YT young crowd freaking out about this online.

But the reality is that average age of a new car buyer is around 50. It's somewhat lower than that for a BRZ/GT86 but definitely not in the 20s or whatever.

Google says the median age is 34 as of 2020.

Blighty 09-03-2022 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3545023)
Where did you hear this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CincyJohn (Post 3545025)
The forum that shall not be named.

Heh, yeah lol - honestly why cant we just be all friends ft86club!

So thats correct, we had a member on the gr 86 org website detail a conversation he had on sep 1, they said 3-4 weeks to them.

I myself got a DM from the uk ecutek guys on aug 26 and got told me they they were progressing well with internal testing (so yes they have it running), but just waiting a little bit to confirm how that goes before they do the usual announcement stuff.


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