huh I know...wasn't what I was saying yo..people in this thread were talking about how the new gen has the same HP with either MT or AT and that the old AT was slower and so I was merely reiterating that the 5 HP difference from first gen was meaningless, the main difference/advantage was the gearing..

Dude, don't you tell me to calm down. These people who drive automatic twins are abominations to God. They are heartless heathens who should be put down like rabid dogs.

Okay:thumbsup:

The auto’s good, but it’s not faster than the manual.[/QUOTE]

In shifting it is unless your too fast, too furious.

You misspelled iconoclast.

That too.

Depends who you ask. A grandma would say the Auto is quicker then the Manual. Her hips grinding while shifting gears won’t help.

the automatic is pretty bad.

After you've driven a DCT transmission it absolutely shits on every other automatic. thats the only type of automatic thats acceptable

Yes this particular auto slush box is 2000s tech. The only acceptable slush box is the Zf8.

that's because she's granny shifting, and not double clutching like she should've.

My Granny loved to shift. She had a Rambler Scrambler.

In the first gen, the manual was like a second faster to sixty. The second gen will likely be the same. Gearing is less aggressive. Fifth gear in the auto is longer than sixth gear in the manual, and the auto has another gear.

https://i.imgur.com/O1611eq.jpg

The second gen is probably the same. The auto will be faster when two novice driver's are racing. The auto will be faster around town with anyone who is driving reasonably; it is far easier to drive aggressively in an auto than in a manual without shifting ridiculous like you're this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8vImD6FoXM

These threads are why I miss forums.

pretty bad is very unfair to say. the system will never auto upshift in manual mode which shits on so many "sporty" cars with autos as a bunch of will force the next gear on you. at wot and shifting at high rpms, the gear changes are still very reasonably quick and there ain't any weird low speed jerkiness..it is very smooth all the way through the rev range & gears.. dct would only add unnecessary weight to the twins that would only make a dct variant slower and it isn't like you're controlling a large amount of torque for shifting speeds to really matter..