Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3504899)

You may have hit on the actual solution here, its a generational thing, which I never thought of.

My recollection is exactly as yours. In high school and college I owned at least a half dozen cars, some manual some auto, some fast some slow. Never did the discussion of the transmission come up. What mattered were the results.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3504899)

You may have hit on the actual solution here, its a generational thing, which I never thought of.

My recollection is exactly as yours. In high school and college I owned at least a half dozen cars, some manual some auto, some fast some slow. Never did the discussion of the transmission come up. What mattered were the results.

Originally Posted by Dzmitry (Post 3504906)

It's the "dying of the MT's" that brings the "hardcore MT guys" out to make such statements. Back in the day, the options were quite unlimited and everyone got their pickings. Now we're at a point where the world is moving on and these "MT guys" are just not ready to accept it. It is what it is and I'm sure we'll hear more and more speak out about it as time goes by and the last MT's are around.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3504916)

Yep
My mother drove MTs all the time.
My Grandmother drove MTs almost exclusively.
My Great Grandmother drove nothing but MTs since that is all that existed.
They didn't give two shits about "the feels" or being "engaged" in fact they didn't think anything at all about it since it was just the way it was.
Now if you want to feel like some sort of hardcore "enthusiast" you have to demean anybody that doesn't drive manual as some sort of loser that just doesn't "get it".

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3504922)

She was a bit of a racer girl.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3504922)

And they were all rwd without traction control too..

My Grandmother, to my knowledge only ever had one car that wasn't RWD/Manual until her last car that was a Buick Regal in the '90s.

Oh wait, she did own a rear engine 6 cylinder for about 8 years. A yellow 1968 Corvair. She tore up the country roads in that thing. She was a bit of a racer girl.

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3504877)

Literally the post I quoted of yours that you are quoting of me.

Postception

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3504891)

I have owned around 30 cars over my life.
If I remember correctly 26 of them were standards and 4 were automatics.
Of the 4 automatics two were the fastest drag cars I ever had. It took some work and a shift kit to make each of those autos effective but they were better at doing the job than a manual every would have been.
Of the 26 standards maybe 10 of them were really great. The others ranged from just OK to "oh my good this sucks and should be an auto".
The point being there are some really nice ATs and some MTs that are horrid and saying simply "I am a MT guy" has zero meaning in the big picture.
This whole mystic and passion for MTs is a relatively new thing. I do not recall a single person back in the 70s looking down upon others for having an AT. In fact at the drag strips the AT crowd did (and probably still do) hand the MTs their asses on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by The Red One (Post 3504928)

Question for those who think they are superior Manual only driving gods/snobs :
Does your dash show a warning light on permanently that suggest you have the hill holding option on and available?

Which leads my thoughts to my other gripe about new driver oriented cars offering a manual only but has a push button parking brake.(such as a Civic SI)
I need a true emergency hand brake with my 3rd pedal for my winter driving adventures. And I dislike ABS in the winter...

I hate getting old. I find myself reactionary towards the new car tech being forced on to me.:D

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3504916)

Now if you want to feel like some sort of hardcore "enthusiast" you have to demean anybody that doesn't drive manual as some sort of loser that just doesn't "get it".

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3504916)

Yep
My mother drove MTs all the time.
My Grandmother drove MTs almost exclusively.
My Great Grandmother drove nothing but MTs since that is all that existed.
They didn't give two shits about "the feels" or being "engaged" in fact they didn't think anything at all about it since it was just the way it was.
Now if you want to feel like some sort of hardcore "enthusiast" you have to demean anybody that doesn't drive manual as some sort of loser that just doesn't "get it".

Originally Posted by CincyJohn (Post 3504932)

Uhh did you even read the post? Did you read the threads? Did you read Ernest72s comments? I'm not the one who said this AT (or any AT or any PDK) is "good" or "bad" - the people that are saying that are the people that are the people defending the AT in the twins or the PDK or an AT in general.

I don't understand why they are doing it because they don't need defending from me - I've never once offered an opinion about how "good" or "bad" any non-manual transmission is. I don't have an opinion there because I don't care - it is not a car that I would consider buying regardless of how "good" or "bad" the non-manual transmission is.

I am not arguing about the general merits of AT vs. MT or that one is good and one is bad. I don't understand how this is so hard for you (and others) to understand.

Originally Posted by CincyJohn (Post 3504940)

This may be directed at me. I don't feel like a god or a snob because I would pick a manual over an AT every single time. I do feel like I am in a group that is getting smaller everyday and I do like to identify others in that group.
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