Originally Posted by daiheadjai (Post 2869041)

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to enthusiasts.

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Originally Posted by Coaster (Post 2868957)

I hope they use an updated wrx engine in the gen2.

Originally Posted by daiheadjai (Post 2869041)

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to armchair enthusiasts on the Internet.

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Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2869048)

I 100% side with manufacturers saying "too bad, so sad" to enthusiasts. They're the loud minority when they want something, such as a lightweight, RWD coupe, but then cry about nearly everything when it gets put into production, but is "slow".

Originally Posted by daiheadjai (Post 2869041)

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to enthusiasts.

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 2869181)

Except it was enthusiasts and a thread on Club4ag that served as part of the launching pad for the twins. It was a group that understood the type of car Tada wanted to make I think so that helped. Plus Moto.

Originally Posted by daiheadjai (Post 2869041)

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to enthusiasts.

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2869378)

But boy did they make hundreds of thousands of us happy.

:burnrubber:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2869378)

But boy did they make hundreds of thousands of us happy.

:burnrubber:

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2869398)

I think over time a lot of people who heavily criticized this car will slowly realize just how much thought and effort Toyota and Subaru put into this platform. If the 86 didn't exist I would probably be driving a 20 year old car right now.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2869402)

There are still tens of thousands of these things to be built, maybe even another 100,000+ will roll off the assembly line, as they get sold again to second, third, and fourth+ owners many more will get the chance to enjoy something cool.

Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2869017)

This is the car the internet cried and begged for. Everyone who was actually going to buy one, bought one already. Those who didn't, for whatever reason (the power, the interior, the final design, whatever) were never going to buy it anyways.

Originally Posted by Calvin27 (Post 2869038)

Anyway fast forward and engine options are out because subaru won't allow it (eats into wrx sales) and shoving anything else in there will change the car too much. I suspect the MR2, alongside other cars is a way of toyota saying what else can we do since the life of the 86 is limited. THe advantage of MR2 is that there is no need for engine development (it will more or less run FF configurations in reverse) and all it requires is some chassis development which Toyota already has a predecessor anyhow - this is a viable option to explore given the 86 life is limited.

Originally Posted by daiheadjai (Post 2869041)

The Twins are a textbook example of why automakers don't (or shouldn't) listen to enthusiasts.

Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2869048)

I 100% side with manufacturers saying "too bad, so sad" to enthusiasts. They're the loud minority when they want something, such as a lightweight, RWD coupe, but then cry about nearly everything when it gets put into production, but is "slow".

Originally Posted by krayzie (Post 2869104)

I actually don't want that engine in the car otherwise the hoodline would need to be raised. It's high enough as it is with the current car. :thumbsup:

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2869398)

I think over time a lot of people who heavily criticized this car will slowly realize just how much thought and effort Toyota and Subaru put into this platform. If the 86 didn't exist I would probably be driving a 20 year old car right now.

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 2869529)

The car that the internet cried and begged for? Toyota didn't follow through on their own promises. The car they gave us is heavier and more expensive than what was promised.



Your first comment is just conjecture with nothing factual to back it up. And the second one makes no sense because yes, Subuar actually could just drop in their WRX engine, i.e. no engine development required.



Not really, see above how Toyota gave us a heavier and more expensive car than originally promised.



Again, the car was delivered heavier and more expensive than promised. They should have made a developmental change at some point to account for this with more power.



Uhh, all you have to do is relocate the intercooler and the engine is no taller than the FA20.



Time and effort huh? Toyota and Subaru, right now, are more profitable than at any other time in their history. And they couldn't be bothered to provide 1-2 powertrain options? (that didn't even need to be bespoke) Doesn't sound like a lot of thought and effort to me, all things considered.