And yet another one! :'(
 

http://jalopnik.com/5935304/dealersh...h-of-ownership

*sigh*

I think we need a Master FR-S/BRZ Wreck Thread. One Member a week will post I wrecked my FR-S./BRZ then we can start a club and get tshirts and all

wtf happened there?

I'm guessing the car hit curb going sideways and bent axle- rear tire and rim inward

There should be a sticky of all wrecked BRZ / FRSs. Looks like most of them are from oversteer into objects, being rear-ended and in parking lots.

Good reminders as I prefer to learn from others' mistakes.

And people claim that the FR-S has "better" suspension than the BRZ - have we seen any wrecked BRZ's yet? I think it's gotta be just a little bit too twitchy for people's own good! Reminds me of the 1991-92 MR2's and their snap-oversteer issues.

Yes, several wrecked BRZs in the "Another One Bites The Dust" thread.

Unfortunately we are going to see a lot ruined FR-S/BRZ's. I had a salesman gawk over the car and recommend "You gotta turn off that traction control and get that thing sideways!" great advise! unfortunately I love my car too much. Just imagine if he sold this car to a drifting inspired teenager.... :(

As much as I love to drive my car, I have my wife and child. I'm definitely not going to put myself or my car in danger. You have to imagine the logistics it takes to buy a car like this when you have a family. :D

So for now, I'm going to keep the trac ON and hoon it at the track only.

"Through two months of sales, BRZ has sold 1,587 units and FR-S 4,419 units."

logically, that is part of the reason why there are less BRZ accident vs FR-S...

LOL @ the comments on the article!!

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1) There are less BRZ models on the road. Lower probability of crashes. Also, it's likely that more younger (presumably less experienced) drivers will purchase the lower cost FR-S. Presumably higher probability of crashes.

2) The car isn't "twitchy" at all. Crashes can occur in any car for a number of reasons, driver error only being one of them. Yes, this car being RWD will require additional car control skills in certain situations. The handling is superb compared to many other cars I have driven including my MR2.

3) Speaking of which, I've driven 1991 MR2's both stock and modified for years, and also have driven the models with the revised suspension. I have never wrecked one. Some people just don't have enough car control skills. In fact, my '91 MR2 actually has an understeer bias even under braking because I've fitted coilovers, wide 9" rear wheels with 245 tread width, and 7.5" front wheels with 205 tread width.

god damn people must REALLY be pushing these things.....or just tap the throttle in the rain. Cause man even with the TRAC off and on dry roads i have just barely enough UMPH to get it a hair sideways. for SURE not enough to even think about losing it. people should have to take a test to be able to drive nice cars LMAO

this aint a mustang. you dont use power to drift you use the cars inertia taking a turn. much more difficult then using power over on a high hp car.

my last rwd car was a volvo 740 with 115hp from factory.. mine had gone past 500 000km so maybe 80hp left? and was able to drift with it in the dry! sure rain made it easier and snow even more so.. but you learn how to controll a car with low hp.

Hopefully the stupid drivers learn something. I'm going to steal that pic for a sig.

You think these FR-S'/BRZ are rebuilt or just junked?

Cuz if they are junked.... I can build me a few cars from all these spare parts!

You're doing it wrong if you can't get the back end out on dry asphalt :P

The ones with bashed in front ends are probably getting junked.(need to find out where >.>;)

A lot of them seem to be more cosmetic than a complete total.

That article says the guy had 30+ years of experience driving and the FR-S was at least his 4th RWD car. It's not all about inexperienced drivers with these things. Plus all the other wreck threads seem inconsistant with the ages. It's another factor for these.

That's what I'm saying, it has to be something with the dynamics of the car, unless they're hiding some other details about the incident. I knew, KNEW someone would quote sales numbers to back up why there haven't been any BRZ crashes. Gimme a break guys, there's been several reports for the FR-S, I have yet to see a BRZ crash. Prove me wrong, that's fine! I'm not trying to stir up anything bad, I really think there might be something of concern with the way the car handles. It could be ever-so-slight, or it could be another factor. I guess who knows.

nicely lowered!
is there rub?

Nah, but there is a pretty nice grinding noise from the axle dragging the ground, makes it sound extra BA. Also the sparks make it look like you've got fire coming out of your exhuast.

i CAN but would rather not stay in UBER high rpmland to maintain one, AND NOT end up like these folks trying to be the next Ken Gushi, tanner Foust and Ken block on public streets. XP

"Ridge Racer style! VSC off, enter corner at high speeds, no brake, turn wheel as fast as possible, perfect drift every time!"

Reality: Massive understeer, hit tree.

AAAAND there is the next casualty lmao:laughabove::bellyroll::bonk:

Someone posted this one as a reply to that jalopnik crash:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17w5...cmt-medium.jpg

From canada apparently.

poor thing

please stop hurting these beautiful cars...it is actually really upsetting.

No one is "hurting" them. You are dealing with personification, which is attributing emotions and human-like qualities to inanimate objects. These cars are nothing more than metal, electronics and bolts. It'll make seeing these crashes a lot easier if you accept that fact :)

Honestly trying to help, because you're going to be seeing a lot more of these I'm sure.

EDIT: It doesn't help that cars make "faces" with the headlights and bumpers. Makes personification a lot easier to occur.

EDIT AGAIN: Yes I teared up and almost cried when I saw my FR-S after the crash. IT'S A PROCESS OK? :D

My BRZ is offended by your comment :mad:

It has to be something with the dynamics? Really? So I guess the testing programs from two world-class auto manufacturers wasn't able to detect this problem that you can clearly see from a few second hand accident reports on the Internet.

Have you driven an FR-S or BRZ? From what empirical evidence do you base this claim?

http://i.imgur.com/tccSs.jpg

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17sm...jpg/xlarge.jpg

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newpho...u-brz-5162.jpg

Happy?

Despite the different production figures frs vs brz wrecks have been fairly similar it seems.

Wow!

Its common, a lot of people buying these cars are going to surprised by how it handles and won't know what to do when the car goes sideways or loses control a little bit. I say let it be, accidents are the best way to learn how to drive sometimes.

Yes, I have driven them and yes, it is possible for them to overlook these things. Hence why I made an example of the 1991-1992 MR2's as being prone to snap oversteer and causing a lot of accidents. The 1993-1995 model year MR2's were changed to a staggered tire setup as a result. They also eliminated the rear trunk in the MR2 Spyder because a full trunk in the earlier cars could upset the balance enough to cause snap oversteer issues. If you listen to what some of the pro drivers say, here's your empirical data:

Randy Pobst: "I like the Subaru better, primarily because it's less loose on entry. In the Scion, you feel the back move almost before the front. In the Subaru, it's more one piece. And I can be more aggressive entering turns with the Subaru. It's a decreasing maneuver -- I'm entering on the brakes and cornering -- and because the Subaru isn't as tail-happy, I can use more brakes entering the corner and carry more speed in. It's the same thing coming off the corner. The Subaru doesn't oversteer as easily, so I can get to the power sooner."

And the staff of Motor Trend said similar:

Lago: "The BRZ seems a bit slower to transition from understeer to oversteer than the FR-S. It stays neutral longer, where the FR-S switches quickly back and forth. I was able to hold the BRZ right in that space between the two extremes longer, and I like that extra stability."

Mortara: "Like other Subarus, the BRZ rolls, something that I actually like. This is what gives the BRZ an edge over the FR-S. The roll makes the car less edgy, less prone to kick the rear out, unless you really want it to."

Jurnecka: "On the track and skidpad, the BRZ just feels a little more dialed-in than the FR-S. There's a little more grip and a little more control -- all very, very small stuff, but it's noticeable."



Read more: http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...#ixzz23l5aPjbI

Well, there are the wrecked BRZ's, however only the third one appears to have gotten away from the driver.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...691#post384691

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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...691#post384691

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I like how quick people are to judge...did anyone read the article?

He was experienced, probably a lot more then most of us.


Yea, that first one you can just buff out...he clearly slid into a pole with the shape of that damage. Driver lost control of that car.