Front Pad recommendation?
 

So later this month, I have my second track day; my first track day, I was on stock pads and fluid and am going to be upgrading both of those for my next. So when I bought the car, I noticed that my rear pads were Project MU Club racers that I took off and put stock ones on just for daily driving. Now I know that they are trackpads, so I plan to put them back on in the rear for the next track day and was wondering what pads should I throw on up front that would pair well with those that are in the same price range since those pads were discontinued. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks!

PMu Club Racers are still sold. I say avoid the guess work and stick to the same compound front and rear.

You might need to search for the Club Racer "Advance" variation. It's supposed to be a little closer in performance to the 999 pad.

If you're really set on buying a different pad, try to seek one with a similar character. You could probably reach up to the PMu 999. Carbotech xp10/xp12 are also close in performance

I'm in Castro Valley. I have an unused full set of Carbotech to sell. XP10 front, XP8 rear.

Either get an exact match for the fronts or one step up in grade. One thing you never want is the rears gripping stronger than the fronts. It'll make for a pants-wetting track day.

Scroll down to September's posts. There is a good discussion about track pads.

Club Racer would be the best match for the front, but are not available.

999, C2, and CE2 are all in stock at CSG and would potentially work with your Club Racer rear.

EndlessAzure hooked me up with some club racers with some life left. But once those are done I'll PM you. Thanks!

Are you saying the club racer is out of stock or no longer in production? Does that apply for the club racer advanced as well?

Both out of stock and no longer in production for the 86's front. It is still made in select fitments on other platforms.

Well that sucks, I rather liked them. Thanks for the heads up.

It's been out of production for like 5 years now.

You'll find better, trust me!

Try the CSG C2 :thumbsup:

So I had my track day at Laguna Seca yesterday, and it was my first track day with upgraded brake fluid and pads. There were two things that I noticed that were weird.

For one, I was just in VSC sport mode because I'm scared of pedal dance mode and wrecking my daily. With that being said, it felt like every time I was braking, ABS was engaging. But I don't think it was because I wasn't exactly slamming on my brakes as hard as I could in every turn. It was just the same feeling under my foot when braking as ABS turning on. It happened when braking in a straight line, too, for the record, so it couldn't have been stability control, and the light wasn't flashing when I was feeling this.

The next thing was: when I was driving home it felt like my clutch was slipping quite a bit when taking off out of first. Even when I drove my car today, and my transmission was up to temp, I felt it slipping, and my car would vibrate a bunch, and my shifter would shake rapidly. So maybe my clutch is just dying?

Let me know what might be going on or if I am just noted used to trackpads. Thanks

CSG pads, rbf 600 or Castrol brake fluid. trust me if you have a 2013-2016 just do the pedal dance. I Know it sounds scary but the car will be more predictable. On old cars press and hold = sport mode of new cars.
@CSG Mike

He can help with what's the best compound for needs and skill levels are.

Edit** ops I miss read. I thought you needed advice.

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What did you upgrade to?

What I said earlier in the thread. I have pmu club racers in the front and rear. Someone sent me the fronts since you can't buy them anymore, they have probably 3-4 track days left in the front and the ones in the rear are practically new still. If you need pictures of the pad life I can send that. And Motul rbf 600 fluid

Do you have any datalogs? Without that, it'll be very difficult to help diagnose.

I don't unfortunately. What would the data logs be of exactly?

Your driving inputs and the results of those inputs.

It's a great way to both diagnose odd behaviors, as well as use as a tool for self-improvement on track.

While mostly unrelated, it also serves as a lap timer and a display for any data points you want to see in real time while on track (or anywhere else).

https://www.counterspacegarage.com/aim-solo2-dl

Oh okay. Yeah, I'll look into that for next time. I just had the Track addict app for lap times, and that isn't as detailed. Would that help better understand what I was feeling with the transmission when driving home that I mentioned too?

Depends on what the cause it but the data can eliminate some potential causes.

The more I think about it, I'm pretty sure I didn't bed the pads in properly before taking them to the track, and that probably caused the vibration I was feeling. I engaged the ABS a few times when bedding them in on the street, so I think that was the problem... hopefully it was lol.

I doubt it was the bedding process. Brakes are pretty robust, and can handle a few triggers of ABS during bed-in. Bad bed-in can lead to brake pulsation that is associated with the "warped rotors" feeling.


My guess is that it was just the traction control and stability kicking in. The sport mode on the FRS/BRZ has always been quite aggressive, and even more-so on the MY13-MY16 models.

If you are attempting to trail brake or have steering input while also braking, the car can kick in with stability control. Stability control can also intervene midcorner if you happen to lift off throttle or brake suddenly


With regard to your clutch, hard to say. If you have any video if your driving sessions, you can review how good your heel-toe or shifting was. Maybe you had excessive slipping on track and that caused a change in the character of your clutch afterward

Okay, I appreciate your input. I can do some trial and error next time I'm at the track day with holding the traction control button instead of just doing sport mode. I've just been hesitant and still am doing that because I don't want to total my daily and find that traction control may have prevented that a few times on track.

Track insurance is a thing, if you want coverage.

While electronics are fine if you want to just sample the track, if you want to really learn to drive, they should be fully off. The more dependent you get on electronics, the more you'll need to re-learn if/when you decide to go drive without them.

He is not wrong. I recently was in the same boat as you. Trust the car feels much better in pedal dance mode. more natural, less twitchy because of the car trying to save you. Take things slow and warm up to your pace and bet you 100$ you will go faster while not having to over drive car.

+1 on that thought.

I'm not a very experienced track guy but I autocross a lot and in both cases the extra "stuff" just gets in the way and makes everything worse. They might be useful to the inexperienced driver on public roads but in these kinds of places I want the most predictable feel possible and the electronics are just not predictable enough.

Just want to confirm what the others said about TC off and/or pedal dance. When I started learning it felt kinda sketchy in sport mode and I was hesitant. When I finally made the jump to TC off the car did slide more but felt much more predictable and I felt more comfortable progressing.