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Originally Posted by Zandermannnn
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Agreed. I was trying to say that you can't put the Z in the same class of car as the 86 or a Cayman or even a Supra. All of those cars are attempting to be true sports cars at different budgets.
To me, the Z is more of a GT/Performance Car.
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This isn’t accurate or logical at all. It makes no sense. All these cars are low, 2 door, RWD sportscars. The Supra and Cayman are entirely logical competitors to the Z based on seats, size, weight, and engine. The Z is the cheapest alternative of that trio, and slightly less performance than the Cayman or Supra (but far more performance than the Miata or 86) is to be expected. But of course it is still a sportscar.
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More similar to a muscle car than a Supra or 86. The the curb weight and handling characteristics will be closer to the previous gen than what some people are assuming.
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Why does everyone think the Z is an abnormally heavy car and ignore the actual weight of the other 6 cylinder sportscars they claim are in another weight class? We don’t know the new Z’s weight, but the outgoing 370Z (1465kg) was actually 40kg lighter than the Supra (1505kg) and about 60kg heavier than a Cayman GTS at 1405kg (to compare the V6 Z to the flat-6 version). The Mustang GT (1770kg) is over 300kg heavier than the 370Z by comparison!
Handling? 370Zs have pulled .99g on the skidpan and turn, brake and handle as a sportscar should. When they first came out they went head to head with the 987 Cayman, and compared very favourably at the time (the Z was more powerful and slighter quicker 0-100, but the Cayman out handled the Z, as you’d expect from a sportscar costing so much more). The journalists comparing them never doubted the Z was a genuine sportscar. The fact it was more powerful than the Mustang V8 of the era is a nice bonus, but it was never a muscle car.
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The 370z was also still lagging behind in handling compared to the alpha chassis Camaro and even the Mustang.
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Have you driven a regular Mustang GT (no super expensive GT350) and a 370Z (Sport or Nismo) back to back? I have. The Z is 300kg lighter, you can feel that weight difference instantly, and the Z completely out handles the Mustang. Here in Australia the 370Z, especially the Nismo, consistently puts out better lap times in the hands of track drivers than Mustang GTs (we don’t get the GT350 or other special versions) despite the power deficit. Also worth noting re value, the Nismo Z was significantly cheaper in Australia than the cheapest Mustang GT - I think it was different in the USA where V8 Mustangs are a lot cheaper.
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Without working some serious magic, I still think other cars are a better option whether you prefer power or handling.
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You’re welcome to your opinion, but it really sounds like you are just repeating a bunch of forum hate on the Z, rather than trying to objectively compare it to other cars in the sportscar class. You incorrectly claim it is not a sportscar like the Cayman or Supra because of weight and handling, yet I easily showed you with actual facts that it is only slightly heavier than a GTS Cayman and is actually lighter than a Supra.
Now I don’t know what the new Z will be like. It depends on a range of factors we are uncertain about, such as how much weight the car has gained by moving to the new TT engine, and how the replacement of the old hydraulic steering with electric steering will work (the electric steering in the Q50/60 was not well regarded). But let’s try to be fair and accurate instead of just repeating tired old forum talking points that aren’t based on objective facts.
