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dhpinoy 08-13-2012 09:06 PM

What fuel do you put on your FRS/BRZ?
 
There's different kinds of gas companies and different kinds of octane levels and some companies offer different things, but what do YOU put on your FRS/BRZ?

87? 89? 91? or the 93 Octane?

Shell or Chevron?

What are the differences between the companies? And, where can you even get 93 Octane in OC Area?

PMok 08-13-2012 10:54 PM

91 is generally the highest you can get in CA. But some 76 stations carry (or used to carry) 100 octane race fuel, at exorbitant prices.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/western-me...ane-socal.html

Shinobi2u 08-13-2012 11:29 PM

Yeah, almost everywhere in CA is just 91 unless you want to go out of the way. I got Shell 91 (V-Power) on my first fill-up. Haven't had any problems with it and so far no chirping when idling like a lot of people have been reporting. Crossing my fingers it stays that way (even though it's certainly not the end of the world).

Symbiont 08-14-2012 12:42 AM

Chevron 91 w/ STP Octane Booster (5.25oz per tank). Seems to have gotten rid of the crickets in my fuel pump. :O

Achpoques 08-14-2012 12:44 AM

93 Ethanol-free 100% pure from one of our local gas stations.

No chirp, feels more peppy than the 93 I get at every other station.

Symbiont 08-14-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Achpoques (Post 377920)
93 Ethanol-free 100% pure from one of our local gas stations.

No chirp, feels more peppy than the 93 I get at every other station.

Yeah, but you're not in California. :P

frsguy707 08-14-2012 12:47 AM

91 premium octane (chevron) (shell) or (76)

Achpoques 08-14-2012 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Symbiont (Post 377926)
Yeah, but you're not in California. :P


But I live in the corn state where an ethanol plant thrives in my city. :P It's hard to find pure gas around here.

Symbiont 08-14-2012 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Achpoques (Post 377928)
But I live in the corn state where an ethanol plant thrives in my city. :P It's hard to find pure gas around here.

The point is 93 octane isn't sold in California due to the fact that 'they' hate us. 'Us' being people who have sports cars, which is half the population.

Pulled from a Technobabble post from 2001:

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By the time you read this, residents of Nevada and Arizona will have been screwed too. What, you don't live there? Just wait, you're next.
It's not like West Coasters haven't been screwed before. From roadside smog dynos to tickets for shiny mufflers, we're used to the man getting us down, but this time they're hitting us where we eat. This time they're taking our gas. We already have pretty crappy premium fuel in California. Just like most of the West Coast, we're stuck with 92 octane, while much of the Midwest and the East Coast got to play with 93 or better. Now, as of August 1, 2001, the best we can get is 91. Time to turn down the boost.

On the off chance you're only now trading in your Schwinn 10-speed on a twin-turbo Supra, I guess I should stop here and explain what octane is and how it affects your engine.

When fuel is injected into the cylinder, compressed and ignited, one of two things can happen. It either burns quickly and smoothly, shoving the piston down with a strong, even push, or it explodes all at once, releasing its energy in a sudden burst of heat and pressure. This explosion is called knocking or pinging, and it's something engineers like to call "really bad."

Knock is usually ill timed, occurring early in the combustion cycle when the crank and rod are still straight up or even worse, still trying to complete the compression stroke. As a result, all the energy released slams into the top of the piston without actually turning the crank. When this happens under stressful enough conditions--like, 20-psi of boost in a Miata--you start breaking things. Usually the ring lands; however, if your pistons are strong enough, you might get lucky and blow a head gasket.

Octane, for those of you still on the bike, is the rating of a fuel's ability to not do this. The higher the number, the less likely the fuel is to detonate. What this means to us, of course, is the higher the number, the more boost we can throw at that Miata. High-octane gas isn't just for tuners though. Plenty of stock cars depend on the stuff, including a Celica GT-S with its 11.5:1 compression, or a turbocharged WRX or Volkswagen 1.8T.

These cars rely on high-octane gas to keep from detonating. Feed them 91 octane and they won't start breaking things, because their knock sensors will see it coming and retard the timing, turn down the boost or otherwise reduce your chances of having any fun.

Whose fault is it this time, CARB? The EPA? The CHP? None of the above. This time we're being victimized partly by the oil companies, and partly--this is the one that hurts--by ourselves.

You see, when crude oil is refined into gasoline, the refinery doesn't have all that much control over what comes out. Crude oil is full of all kinds of stuff, and a refinery simply separates it, sorting all the iso-this and hepta-that in order of density. The really heavy stuff, like tar, is near the bottom, while the really light stuff, like butane, is near the top.

Somewhere in the upper ranges of the stack are the components of gasoline. There are between 10 and 15 different blend stocks, each with a different octane rating, which are mixed together to make gasoline.

The crude oil being used and little else determine the amount of each blend stock available for mixing. Generally, if you just dump all the blend stocks into a bucket, you end up with something around 88 or 89 octane. If you're selective and only mix the good stuff, you can make 92, 93 or even 95 octane. But once you take out the good stuff, you're left with crap--something like 85 octane. Then you have to leave enough good stuff in the bucket to bring this pee-water up to at least 87 octane. This limits the amount of 95-octane gas you can make. If you make 93-octane premium instead, you use up less of the high-octane stocks, allowing you to make a higher proportion of premium fuel.

In the Midwest, where an extensive customer base of good old boys in pickup trucks consume vast quantities of 87 octane, demand for premium fuel is low enough to make genuine high-octane premium.

In California, however, Lexus-driving executives suck down premium fuel like it's Evian, so 92 was the rule.

CARB isn't entirely innocent. Many of its standards for evaporative emissions and misdirected attempts at oxygenation have raised the manufacturing cost of high-octane gas, but it doesn't seem to be behind the sudden change to 91. Instead, according my super-secret oil industry mole, it all comes back to money. Unocal, you see, has a patent on the 173 easiest ways to make California-friendly 92-octane gas. As a result, every other oil company has to pay Unocal 5.75 cents for every gallon they make using one of these techniques. They haven't actually been paying it, but that's an issue for the lawyers to sort out.

Suddenly it's pretty obvious why our gas sucks, but why doesn't Unocal still sell us 92? Because it can't. In 1997, Unocal sold off all its 76 gas stations, and with them, its ability to decide what kind of gas to make. All Unocal can do now islook for oil, suck it out of the ground, and wish it had some way to make everybody else keep using its patents. You see, not only did Unocal screw us, they screwed themselves.

Ironically, the only gas stations in California with anything better than 91 octane are the ones Unocal used to own--the few 76 stations offering 100-octane race fuel. You can locate these elusive stations at www.76.com, but bring your wallet. The current going rate is $6.00 a gallon.

Fish 08-14-2012 01:48 AM

I typically use Shell/Chevron premium. I remember reading a long time ago that Shell premium had the strongest cleaners so it was always good to run like once a month. Don't remember where I saw that though.

dhpinoy 08-14-2012 02:02 AM

I've seen 103 Octane somewhere and it was $8.~ and i know that 103 is just too much for a stock FR-S. Does that STP Octane Booster help in the long run?

Ms. FR-S 08-14-2012 02:37 AM

If anyone's interested, here's a link for stations with race gas in CA: http://www.davebarton.com/Unleaded_Racing_Fuel_in_SoCal

100 octane is more than most people need, but some of these places supposedly have 93 octane. It's good for reference, anyway.

pinoyplaya 08-18-2012 08:48 PM

I just started using Shell 91 V-Power and I can tell the difference. Will keep using it since there is one shell station just less than a mile away from me.

WingsofWar 08-18-2012 09:06 PM

always had best fuel results with chevron 91 & 93 in all my performance cars. While in terms of performance there was virtually no difference between shell and chevron. I had better longevity and a slightly higher mileage margin with chevron. And theres seems to be some additive in chevron that shell does not have (or not that iv noticed) that keeps my engine near carbon free. This was my conclusion after several rebuilds from 12A, 13B, SR20s, KA24s, VG30s, B18s, and RB20s.

So ill be sticking with Chevron long term and Shell short term when i purchase the FRS/BRZ.

Bonburner 08-18-2012 09:25 PM

Hmm I'll try Chevron a try .. if its ever manageable for my pockets -_-;

Davis 08-18-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhpinoy (Post 377497)
what do YOU put on your FRS/BRZ?

I wouldn't want to put fuel on my future FRS. :)

I am a Chevron guy. How can you say no to cute little cars that talk.

oldpueblo 07-31-2013 08:40 PM

I can't believe that nobody has done some kind of scientific test with actual specific results, it doesn't seem like it'd be that hard for some shop to do. I'm no car guy but isn't this something you could do on a dyno?

Gah old thread bump, sorry noticed too late.

Bonburner 08-05-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by oldpueblo (Post 1109530)
I can't believe that nobody has done some kind of scientific test with actual specific results, it doesn't seem like it'd be that hard for some shop to do. I'm no car guy but isn't this something you could do on a dyno?

Gah old thread bump, sorry noticed too late.

its not a difference in HP as much as how rough your engine idles and accelerates ..

I've noticed Mobil being a bit rougher but more HP feel than Chevron but chevron feels smoother
I only fill Mobil/Chevron these days

FRSapex 02-04-2014 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonburner (Post 1119915)
its not a difference in HP as much as how rough your engine idles and accelerates ..

I've noticed Mobil being a bit rougher but more HP feel than Chevron but chevron feels smoother
I only fill Mobil/Chevron these days

Speaking of Chevron, I found the below at askville.amazon.com...

"I HAVE OWNED VIRTUALLY ALL BRANDS OF STATIONS AND HERE IS MY EXPERIENCE

First of all let me say that i am not a mechanic or car buff. I have however owned Chevron, Shell, Valero, Exxon and Independent (no name) gas stations and still own several. First of all let me say that someone made a comment about Shell or another owning the land so they control what can go into their tanks. That is absolutely false!! When a gas station owner signs a "fuel agreement" with a major company, you can only receive fuel from that company and not just anyone. If you did, that is illegal. You must and can only receive that fuel that you are contracted to receive. So that statement or comment is absolutely not true and not a factor.

Second, the only additive that has been SCIENTIFICALLY proven to reduce build up and lower emissions is TECHRON by chevron. I know the following is not scientific however i cant tell you how many hundreds of times i had people come in to my store (when i was a Chevron) and swear that their car got 5-10% and even higher gas mileage compared to Arco or unbranded (includes grocery stores, Costco, Walmart, etc) and much better performance as well. Generally speaking all generic gas is the same however i will tell you that in at least CA they are allowed to add "fillers" to their generic gas (basically adding impurities to decrease the percent of pure gas).

I (like an idiot) let my wife convince me that we get over a dollar per gallon off Safeway gas because we shop there for our grocery (i think they give like 30 or 50 cents of per gallon for every $100 one spends in the store). So we had a bunch of "gas credits" saved up and for like 3 or 4 tanks, we both put in only Safeway gas and here is our experience. My wife's car dropped from average gas mileage of 20 to high 16's and my brand new car (4 months old) dropped from average of 27 down to 22!! That is not an exaggeration it was actually a hair worse than that. When i took my car in to the dealer (who is very reputable in our city, they are number on in either CA or Northern CA) the service manger told me he had another customer a month earlier complaining of the same thing but also noticed a huge drop off in performance (thinking back i realized my did as well). The manger dipped the guys tank and stated that his Spectrometer (or whatever device he used to check purity of gas) showed that the gas was only 76% pure and had "fillers" of 24%. He then took the same device and dipped his tank (he only uses Chevron) because the client was skeptical and low and behold the device jumped up to 100%!!

That all i needed to hear. I told my wife that i don't care if Safeway is giving gas away (well maybe if its free :-) , I will only use Chevron in both of our cars period. Think about it, why would the major auto companies go thru the hassel and cost of shipping gas from over 500 miles away (from Michigan to Kentucky where many of the new car testing is done regarding EPA stuff and more) since the 1970's if there is no difference in gas. They have Shell, 76, Exxon, BP in Kentucky and yet they only use and want Chevron. They are the true experts and not I.
Another quick item to think about. Chevron is the same price as the other majors here and only Arco and Independents are about 5% cheapest at the most (usually only 2-3%) however if your mileage drops from 30 to say 27 that is a 10% drop in mileage so that is actually costing you more money to buy the cheaper gas and that does not even take into account all the other benefits of Techron on most likely reducing mechanical/maintenance costs down the road.
That is all i need to know. Anyway the choice is yours. Hope that helped someone.
sonny1130 22 months ago"

FamilyFirst 02-04-2014 02:25 PM

I've been putting Mobil, Or 76 or Shell

KelvinBRZ 02-04-2014 02:40 PM

76 for me. Tempted to put racing fuel (100 octane) and mix it in to try it out :D

vividracing 02-04-2014 02:49 PM

91 Shell for my Evo X. World of difference from Chevron.

KSpider 02-04-2014 07:01 PM

e85, but when i have to 91(socal) at either Shell or Chevron

Shawnofthedead 02-04-2014 08:55 PM

6 gal 91 from shell 4.2 gallons of 100 from Sunoco at a spot in orange or almost 8$ a gal.

Ganthrithor 02-05-2014 12:55 AM

I fuel at Chevron if given the choice. Their 91 seems to make my car proceed.

SP86 02-05-2014 01:19 AM

I've only used Shell thus far, running 91 of course.. but the other night (when taking some photos) I was outside the car as it idled and their they were.. the crickets... never noticed before as my muffler is gone so I don't ever hear em; obviously. So anyway I'm letting my tank drain then switching to Chevron.. really just want to experiment and see if anything changes. I don't mind the chirping because I've yet to hear it while I drive around.

oldpueblo 02-05-2014 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SP86 (Post 1505066)
I've only used Shell thus far, running 91 of course.. but the other night (when taking some photos) I was outside the car as it idled and their they were.. the crickets... never noticed before as my muffler is gone so I don't ever hear em; obviously. So anyway I'm letting my tank drain then switching to Chevron.. really just want to experiment and see if anything changes. I don't mind the chirping because I've yet to hear it while I drive around.

I use nothing but Shell 91 (unless it's an emergency) and I've had no crickets ever (in about a year of ownership) across two FR-S. I really wonder if it's a localized thing.

SP86 02-05-2014 02:46 AM

Yeah that's the only thing I could imagine. .but then again I've noted others within similar surroundings without any reports. I don't know, I'll try the switch and see what happens if the results are the same then I guess it is what it is. ?

N1rve 02-05-2014 02:53 AM

91 from Costco only.

hanabie 02-05-2014 03:23 AM

87 on a leased car regardless the manual says

JB86'd 02-05-2014 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by hanabie (Post 1505268)
87 on a leased car regardless the manual says

So you want less horsepower and more potential problems since it's a lease? Makes sense.

FRS Johnny 02-05-2014 04:09 AM

anyone have any input on 91 gas from costco or sams club? How is it?

FRSapex 02-05-2014 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldpueblo (Post 1505190)
I use nothing but Shell 91 (unless it's an emergency) and I've had no crickets ever (in about a year of ownership) across two FR-S. I really wonder if it's a localized thing.

I too, have used Shell 91 from day one and have rather loud crickets... could be localized.

Heru Farukon 02-05-2014 04:35 AM

I have been switching back and forth on shell 91 or husky 94 depending if I want MOARPOWER or goos milage

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YW-Slayer 02-05-2014 06:32 AM

Esso/Exxonmobil 98. The fuel in HK is great and super-expensive anyway, so why not?

Due to low fuel, I once had to put in a 1/3 tank of Sinopec/Petrochina, which slightly gutted me, but to be fair I didn't really notice any change.

Vincenttam 02-05-2014 06:59 AM

i used 91 mobile. Seems to be the only thing that removes the chirps here in so cal in the 626. Tried cheveron and shell but had chirps. If there was 93 here i wouldnt mind paying the extra to using it.

oldpueblo 02-05-2014 12:26 PM

So maybe what needs to happen is we all get together and do some kind of spec analysis of each gas locally. I'm not a gas scientist or anything but if gas companies have different ratios of mixtures in different states, it might be something strange like Shell 91 in AZ is closer to Chevron 91 in CA than Shell 91 in CA, or something. :)

JS + BRZ 02-05-2014 01:36 PM

91 ARCO. I get a ARCO gas card from my work.

vincent201089 02-05-2014 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnofthedead (Post 1504359)
6 gal 91 from shell 4.2 gallons of 100 from Sunoco at a spot in orange or almost 8$ a gal.

How is the different? Got the car on dyno? Found 1 sunoco close to mu place and wanna try your formula ^^

Terran 02-05-2014 11:34 PM

Most of the time Shell 91, and sometimes Chevron. Still have crickets but I don't hear it with music and my exhaust :P


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