Oh, I understood that portion.

See what happens when your country is too rich to receive COVAX help but not fully stocked yet? We are just catching up here, with 2nd doses expected to be stretched as long as possible. The door is open for 18+ in my province as of yesterday.
Patience, and good common sense my friend. I'd think there has to be a way to overcome a phobia that isn't exactly like staring over the edge of a high rise building, but then again most phobias aren't rational are they?

What you seem to be mentioning did get studied. And retracted lol. It's worth reading the original PDF that was published and the reason for retraction. Very interesting.



https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19

Super interesting, I haven't seen that data yet. I think we sort of knew that covid would be the final nail in the coffin for people that are on death's door, but I would have expected there to be a larger number of deaths in that age group though. If anything that sort of cements what I'm saying regarding nuance.

Covid can simultaneously be dangerous to a community and not very dangerous to a high percentage of individuals. It's dangerous due to the fact that it spreads so easily and causes respiratory distress to a high enough percentage of individuals to overwhelm the medical system.

To illustrate this in another way, where I live there's a population of approximately 75,000 with two local hospitals with a bed count of approx 750 between the two of them. There's approx 40 to 50 ICU between both.

I've seen data suggesting that anywhere between 5-10% of people infected with covid 19 need medical attention (ranging from steroids & antibiotics on the less serious side to intubation on the more serious side). Let's assume 35000 people (50%) become positive within a small window of time, that would mean anywhere from 1750 to 3500 people will require medical attention. There are only 750 beds. 1-2% will require intensive care, or 350 to 700 people while there are 40-50 ICU beds. This is overwhelming and then you also have to realize people go to the hospital for things that are unrelated to COVID-19 (fractures, COPD exacerbation, cardiac arrest etc). This means numerous people will receive insufficient care.

This has been simplified but I think the point gets across.

Also the study was likely retracted because people are idiots and will use it as data to push their agenda. The same thing happened when the CDC published data and people arrived at the conclusion that only 6% of people died from covid which is not what the data said at all.

Everything has definitely been over simplified but sometimes I appreciate it so I can live life and be less worried which is nice. (I worry very little but people who don't care at all and people who are 600% alarmists both worry me some lol)

I wondered from teh beginning why we were tracking cases instead of deaths like we do for everything else but that seemed to sway back to normal toward this ending of it. Like with flu, we don't track cases because tons of people get it and never go to the hospital. Ironically, the same could easily be said with covid though it seemed to be insanely contagious, it wasn't all that deadly for say, people under 50.

95% of deaths were 50 and above and 80% of deaths were 65+. (thanks study cited by AARP!) When I see numbers like that, I dont' worry at all. It does make me wonder if politicians (most in those age brackets for sure) weren't blowing things out of proportion because they were most at risk lol.



But you're right about nuance but nuance is dying. Everyone wants to stop reading books and go back to judging covers. It negates the need for nuance.

It's for sure deadlier if you're older and or have other comorbidities. In 30 and under risk of death is fairly low even compared to something like Flu. For children, it's near zero.

Death is not the only metric we should be looking at though. It is a novel disease so we don't know if it might cause you to develop some sort of fibrosis or cancer or cardiac abnormality in 30 years. There does seem to be evidence that covid causes some long-term issues.

Look at something like HPV where it was implicated in cervical cancer at a relatively long period of time after the disease was discovered.

In my opinion this is why the vaccine is lower risk than the disease and why I chose to get it, along with protecting my patients and family members.

For covid and the vaccine, I just shrug when people mention long term effects. We won't know those for whatever period is considered long term lol.

Well, let's look at it in a different way.

Georgia has 14 deaths per 100,000 population from car accidents.

It had 188 deaths per 100,000 from COVID.

Don't you think that if the auto death rate suddenly increased by 1334% or so there would be some serious noise going on to get whatever is broken fixed?

Honestly, no unless guns were involved lol.



Georgia via the CDC
Heart Disease: 175.5 (per 100,000)
COVID-19 Death Rate (12 months ending in Q3 2020): 52.1 (per 100,000)
Accidents: 42.2 (per 100,000)
Firearm Injury Death Rate: 15.8 (per 100,000)

Accidents listed are more than car accidents.
The COVID rate listed is from 2020. It's much higher now.

Wally86 adds an lol to the end of every post. I suppose this is all humourous to him?

I have a friend who has that habit. Sometimes you have to wonder why.

Not sure how it'll be there (probably the same). Here I didn't even feel the 2nd one, and I only noticed the first because the pharmacist had me hold up my t-shirt sleeve so I had to be aware of it, lol.

You'll be just fine. Helps if you have a stress ball or similar, or have something else you can fidget with for a distraction.

I wouldn't and don't think anything of it. i have friends and relatives who temd to chuckle at the end of many sentences. Sometimes at what seem like less than appropriate moments. I chalk it up to a nervous tic. Wally just does it with his fingers.

Welcome to the land of the willfully obtuse. Just kidding. Not welcome. You've been here all along.

I have a severe needle phobia as well, and my tail wagged as I got the shots. Hoping things go quickly for you.

That's what it is in verbal discussions. Many younger folks these days can't help but add LOL and such after a text from pure habit.

I get it I need to be sensitive to all age groups and personality types. Nice day out, can't wait until things get back to normal again. I'm feeling good about being vaccinated but will feel better after the second shot. LOL

Just be careful if posting online condolences for someone departed, which is the norm these days. You can't edit them.

I recently congratulated a family on their son's bris, saying I'm glad he made the cut LOL online only to realize it had me under my alias Facebook ID, Richard Head which I was unable to edit. LOL

...Wut.

If it's any consolation risk is severely mitigated after the first shot (I tested positive for antibodies 10 days post first shot) and hospitalization rate after first shot approaches zero according to moderna/pfizer studies.

Hoping you don't have shit side effects post 2nd shot, I was wrecked!

Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtJ2tsmn4ks

I'll be 40 in a couple of months lol (Legit, laughed out loud... again)


That's aCute :)


Could be. I do it in texts too though. Hmmm...


Because everything is funny to me :thumbsup:

My God man, lol. What's up with that?! hahaha

Maybe some borderline autism or aspergers, who knows. Life's to short to be serious all of the time. Even when people are dying. Maybe I've just lost a little extra in life and learned early to just let it all go. :bonk:

It would be awesome if people were this level headed and open to HEARING other people when they speak but this thread is proof that... reality is far from this.



It's weird to me that people nowadays don't want to see both sides. It doesn't hurt to know where people are coming from. I'm in defense of people not getting the vaccine if they don't want it but that doesn't stop me from getting my second shot of moderna tomorrow morning.

Telling other people what to do and how to live is a fools errand.
Showing people that life can be better by living it out and educating them if they ask is a much more effective way.



The goal isn't to change a mind, it's too educate into betterment.



I feel like some guy said "Be the change you wish to see in the world" and that summed it up all the better.

Nah, the goal is to spread the pain.

People who can change their minds will do so whether we're ****s or not. People who cannot change their minds will not change their minds, whether we're ****s or good listeners. My next door neighbor, who is a kind and giving person, is a total nutjob believing all kinds of conspiracies. No matter how much I'd want to get him on a new course, I can't beat twelve hours a day of trusted but lying talk radio.

The best we can do is vaccine passports. Force the people who don't get vaxxed to be responsible and stay locked up in their homes until this virus is gone.

Agree to disagree.

And once this virus is gone, another will pop up. And another one. And another one. *insert meme here*

You're coming from a place of huge distrust in other people. And I'm... much more optimistic. But change isn't a one day process. I think, last time I looked it up, it's called life.

The goal isn't to "beat" something else. It's to live proof that your way is better. If your way leads to the type of feelings you wrote above... good luck. [emoji2369]


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How many major social issues have you changed your mind on? How about as an adult?

Wow.

In on the 11th page after 6 days of thread existence.

Spicy!

lol

Ok that's going too far.

You sure?

Nah.

Dang. I couldn't even get one person to post a picture of their cool keychain after 6 days.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145343

In!

Crap. I was hoping you would say yes, so I could offer you a complete explanation of why it's not. I've written this book you see ... :lol: :cheers:

My best friends refuse to get vaccinated, I can’t wait to stick this on the back of his truck lol.

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Is it really too far? At least over 600,000 dead Americans. The real death toll so far is likely well over 900,000 Americans. Anybody who refuses to get vaccinated is a person saying, "I'm totally fine to commit murder." I'd start with a tactical nuke next year at Sturgis. We always knew bikers were scum, but now we have a nationwide massacre on their bloody hands.

America lost it's mind over 9/11, and that was 3000 dead. When COVID caused two 9/11s a day, "patriots" were walking around maskless, talking about their "freedom". It's freedom to commit murder.

Not to mention the millions of Americans suffering long term COVID effects, from difficulty breathing to diminished mental ability. How long with these harms last? We have no idea, but it's ugly.

So yeah, lock them up until their pansy asses and broken brains get jabs in the arms. You think this is going to be the last pandemic in your life? The odds are not in your favor.

Knowing that several weeks after my first shot there is very little chance I could end up hospitalized with Covid19 is a good feeling. Can't wait to see people walking around confident again as we slowly phase in less restrictions in our province. The 3 phases are completely based on % population vaccinated reaching different thresholds. So, we all know who we can thank if this thing drags on and on. Or should I say we know who we really should thank, in earnest if this ends in a timely manner.

Society's tolerance for anti-vaxxers will be tested when or if we are hung up on the reopenings. Then we will see whether they end up a huge contingency of the oppressed, barred from large public gatherings and various modes of travel

I went to lunch with a (fully vaccinated) long-time friend (30+ years) last week. We shook hands in greeting. It was the first person I had shaken hands with since Feb of 2020. Felt odd and great at the same time.

Yeah... you're going overboard bud.