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Ultramaroon 05-16-2021 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3433102)
i've got something going sunday. think we could shift it to wednesday? no one likes that day anyways.

~monster truck announcer voice~ WEDNESDAY! WEDNESDAY! WEDNESDAY!

Nope. It's not the same.

soundman98 05-16-2021 02:10 AM

ok, i could move some things around and make monday or friday work. the syllables should work better those days

Ultramaroon 05-16-2021 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3433111)
ok, i could move some things around and make monday or friday work. the syllables should work better those days

Oh, yeah. Monday's good. :cheers:

IceFyre13th 05-16-2021 05:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHCdS7O248g

wbradley 05-16-2021 08:50 AM

People who were vaccine hesitant but changed their minds:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...inds-1.6022537

Capt Spaulding 05-16-2021 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by IceFyre13th (Post 3433138)

Had SUCH a crush on her.

wbradley 05-16-2021 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding (Post 3433154)
Had SUCH a crush on her.

And since it was the early 80's, good chance Deborah really was Harry.

Capt Spaulding 05-16-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 3433162)
And since it was the early 80's, good chance Deborah really was Harry.

LOL. Looking like that, would you care?

wbradley 05-16-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding (Post 3433178)
LOL. Looking like that, would you care?

Maybe it's a preference;)

IceFyre13th 05-17-2021 04:02 AM

Better than looking like puberty never happened......

Wally86 05-17-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 3433008)
Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds
"In the second phase of the study, the deception was revealed. The students were told that the real point of the experiment was to gauge their responses to thinking they were right or wrong. (This, it turned out, was also a deception.) Finally, the students were asked to estimate how many suicide notes they had actually categorized correctly, and how many they thought an average student would get right. At this point, something curious happened. The students in the high-score group said that they thought they had, in fact, done quite well—significantly better than the average student—even though, as they’d just been told, they had zero grounds for believing this. Conversely, those who’d been assigned to the low-score group said that they thought they had done significantly worse than the average student—a conclusion that was equally unfounded.


“Once formed,” the researchers observed dryly, “impressions are remarkably perseverant.”"


New Yorker


Double down on the bias. This is a crazy experiment with some very cool observations about what makes us human.


EDIT: This conclusion on the study "Do not get people to describe their beliefs publicly if you want to change them." is counter to the usefulness virtue signalling. Virtue signalling would actually be harmful to drawing people to your cause.

NoHaveMSG 05-17-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 3433008)
Why Facts Don’t Change Our Minds
"In the second phase of the study, the deception was revealed. The students were told that the real point of the experiment was to gauge their responses to thinking they were right or wrong. (This, it turned out, was also a deception.) Finally, the students were asked to estimate how many suicide notes they had actually categorized correctly, and how many they thought an average student would get right. At this point, something curious happened. The students in the high-score group said that they thought they had, in fact, done quite well—significantly better than the average student—even though, as they’d just been told, they had zero grounds for believing this. Conversely, those who’d been assigned to the low-score group said that they thought they had done significantly worse than the average student—a conclusion that was equally unfounded.


“Once formed,” the researchers observed dryly, “impressions are remarkably perseverant.”"


New Yorker

I had just read a similar study to this not that long ego about an end of the world cult. When the date came and went for "the end", instead of questioning their beliefs, many of them doubled down on them too.

Edit: Cognitive Dissonance is what it was about.

FR-S2GT86 05-17-2021 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3432861)
:popcorn:

:iono:


@humfrz

Waiting for me to die is like waiting for Cal Worthington and his dog, Spot to return to Federal Way......ain't gonna happen in your lifetime. :D

humfrz 05-17-2021 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3433427)
@humfrz

Waiting for me to die is like waiting for Cal Worthington and his dog, Spot to return to Federal Way......ain't gonna happen in your lifetime. :D

Well now, THAT goes back a ways - ;)

bcj 05-17-2021 04:44 PM

Spot has been spotted in Houston last week.

IceFyre13th 05-18-2021 04:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esCsLLuUnOs

AnalogMan 05-18-2021 09:45 AM

New York Times article today on why people don’t get vaccinated:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e=articleShare

weederr33 05-18-2021 10:12 AM

Interesting read. A few comments do raise some valid questions such as the correlation between quality of education and location of the skeptics

Wally86 05-18-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AnalogMan (Post 3433691)
New York Times article today on why people don’t get vaccinated:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e=articleShare


"experts should consider allowing for a “vaccinate later” option. Behavioral science suggests that people prefer moderate or “compromise” options over their extreme counterparts"

I get this. Also, this is a ton of interesting data for an OpED (which don't tend to be this well thought out. An OPINION none the less).

wbradley 05-18-2021 06:57 PM

The friend who was vaccine hesitant texted me his vaccine confirmation today. See, peer pressure does work. When I asked why he changed his mind he mentioned travel and continuing being promiscuous. Plus, he knew I was pissed after I called him part of the problem.

wbradley 05-18-2021 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AnalogMan (Post 3433691)
New York Times article today on why people don’t get vaccinated:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e=articleShare

So, more rural states are less vaccinated as are poorer and less educated ones.

There's a huge surprise...not.

ermax 05-18-2021 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 3433901)
So, more rural states are less vaccinated as are poorer and less educated ones.

There's a huge surprise...not.


Dang dude you must be, like, OMG, sooooo smart.

wbradley 05-18-2021 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3433919)
Dang dude you must be, like, OMG, sooooo smart.

Not sure your tone, but the information was far from breakthrough

IceFyre13th 05-18-2021 10:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2vZonSDUgk

FR-S2GT86 05-18-2021 10:54 PM

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weederr33 05-18-2021 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3433973)

lol always love the people who use the sheep excuse

MuseChaser 05-19-2021 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 3433900)
The friend who was vaccine hesitant texted me his vaccine confirmation today. See, peer pressure does work. When I asked why he changed his mind he mentioned travel and continuing being promiscuous. Plus, he knew I was pissed after I called him part of the problem.

Sooo...peer pressure is a good reason to do things. Got it. I must remember to teach my children that lesson. Also, if someone is pissed at you and calls you "part of the problem," that means they are smarter than you are, and you should always listen to them and obey them. Got it.

I have no words.

soundman98 05-19-2021 02:16 AM

i wonder if we can force irace to eat meat that way...

FR-S2GT86 05-19-2021 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MuseChaser (Post 3434002)
Sooo...peer pressure is a good reason to do things. Got it. I must remember to teach my children that lesson. Also, if someone is pissed at you and calls you "part of the problem," that means they are smarter than you are, and you should always listen to them and obey them. Got it.

I have no words.


I put those types of people who constantly bitch and moan to everyone about wearing masks and getting vaccinated in the same category that I set aside for Jehovah's Witnesses who come to my door trying to hand me pamphlets and telling me that if I don't accept the Lord as my savior that I will burn in hell for eternity.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7INIhD9P0Pw
They can practice what they preach all they want, they have that right, but get it the fuck out of my face.

FR-S2GT86 05-19-2021 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3434003)
i wonder if we can force irace to eat meat that way...


Would that be "Meat Shaming"?

humfrz 05-19-2021 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3434003)
i wonder if we can force irace to eat meat that way...

@Irace86.2.0 DOESN'T EAT MEAT!? - :confused0068:

:eyebulge:

MuseChaser 05-19-2021 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86 (Post 3434007)
I put those types of people who constantly bitch and moan to everyone about wearing masks and getting vaccinated in the same category that I set aside for Jehovah's Witnesses who come to my door trying to hand me pamphlets and telling me that if I don't accept the Lord as my savior that I will burn in hell for eternity.
....

I don't...not at all. I have found every Jehovah's Witness to be polite and kind in demeanor, whether you agree with their message or welcome their visit or not. I can't say even close to the same thing about wbradley's approach.

Lantanafrs2 05-19-2021 09:42 AM

Beware the crusader.

weederr33 05-19-2021 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MuseChaser (Post 3434054)
I don't...not at all. I have found every Jehovah's Witness to be polite and kind in demeanor, whether you agree with their message or welcome their visit or not. I can't say even close to the same thing about wbradley's approach.

I have to agree. I side on with the get vaxxed/wear a mask for the greater good. blah blah. But wbradley's approach has actually irked me and turned me off. I've run into a fair bit of extremes on both sides and I hate both equally.

wbradley 05-19-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MuseChaser (Post 3434002)
Sooo...peer pressure is a good reason to do things. Got it. I must remember to teach my children that lesson. Also, if someone is pissed at you and calls you "part of the problem," that means they are smarter than you are, and you should always listen to them and obey them. Got it.

I have no words.

If your peers are doctors and health professionals, and you refuse to succumb to their widely popular opinion then you either 1) know better or 2) have issues with people knowing better based on their credentials and the overwhelming agreement by physicians and front line care givers, that it is a priority to stop infections and re-infection. Fortunately we are 33% lower than peak levels here but also just extended lockdown another 2 weeks. It's not a quarantine. But it does suck.

Maybe you don't find all the deaths and hospitalizations alarming but most people I know will gladly roll up their sleeve if it can help.

Dadhawk 05-19-2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 3433901)
So, more rural states are less vaccinated as are poorer and less educated ones.

There's a huge surprise...not.

It's more complicated than that. Vaccines were prioritized base on the number of reported cases. Rural areas, for the most part, had fewer reported cases per capita and did not receive vaccines early on, say compared to NYC or LA.

Even within states that applied. Most of the early supplies of vaccines went to Atlanta metro, Savannah Metro areas. Even just outside the Atlanta metro by 20 miles, it was almost a month after first deliveries that we had enough here just to cover first responders, never mind the general population.

So, I'm not surprised at these statistics.

weederr33 05-19-2021 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 3434096)
If your peers are doctors and health professionals, and you refuse to succumb to their widely popular opinion then you either 1) know better or 2) have issues with people knowing better based on their credentials and the overwhelming agreement by physicians and front line care givers, that it is a priority to stop infections and re-infection. Fortunately we are 33% lower than peak levels here but also just extended lockdown another 2 weeks. It's not a quarantine. But it does suck.

The bolded is literally what happens all the time. Patient's wont listen half the time or do so half-heartedly. Hell client's of mine don't listen to me sometimes no matter how much I say "I told you so." That's usually from clients who think they know more than me.

Case and point: I have my Masters of Science in Exercise Physiology, multiple accredited certifications in strength and conditioning, ect ect. I get a client who used to be a personal trainer back in the early 90s and is a physical therapist now. Gives the usual spill about how she knows this and that. Cool I can respect that. But when she insists on doing things that are contraindicated of her conditions or downright silly, I know something's up. I call her out on it, and I get the "You're so smart, but I like this exercise." Refuses to listen, but with patience and figuring out how to convince her, she eventually drops them. Took several weeks because she's stubborn, but worked. Eventually.

Point is, you gotta be patient with anyone no matter their intelligence. Demeaning them or being aggressive turns humans away by nature. The exception being brutal change that's palpable to everyone (this COVID is not that).

NoHaveMSG 05-19-2021 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 3434096)
If your peers are doctors and health professionals, and you refuse to succumb to their widely popular opinion then you either 1) know better or 2) have issues with people knowing better based on their credentials and the overwhelming agreement by physicians and front line care givers, that it is a priority to stop infections and re-infection. Fortunately we are 33% lower than peak levels here but also just extended lockdown another 2 weeks. It's not a quarantine. But it does suck.

Maybe you don't find all the deaths and hospitalizations alarming but most people I know will gladly roll up their sleeve if it can help.

Our GM here at work is not getting the vax. He helps coach his sons baseball team, the main coach's GF works at a respiratory clinic here in Salem. She said very few of them, including doctors, got the vaccine and are not going to. So what does that mean then? I am not smarter or more qualified then his source to suggest what he should do.

wbradley 05-19-2021 12:29 PM

Weederr I think what you are describing is a professional arrogance, "Yeah I know from courses I took 10 years ago", or just previously misinformed but sensitive in that you don't want to belittle them in any way that you recommend and your peers follow a contrary line of thought. However, these are related professional opinions.

I don't know of any doctors or front line healthcare workers here that are unvaccinated or of any widely disseminated movement of physicians advising against broadly vaccinating all those that can be without significantly high risk.

I do what my federal, provincial and municipal government are asking to curb the infections.

Most people are so aghast at the statistics that it is just a matter of getting the thumbs up from doctors to go ahead.

weederr33 05-19-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 3434106)
Weederr I think what you are describing is a professional arrogance, "Yeah I know from courses I took 10 years ago", or just previously misinformed but sensitive in that you don't want to belittle them in any way that you recommend and your peers follow a contrary line of thought. However, these are related professional opinions.

What I do is still a professional opinion/recommendation/prescription. Point is, people will ignore what others say even if it's coming form a qualified person.


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