killerb oil pickup
 

So i just got off the phone finalizing my longblock, and IAG recommended against the killerb pickup do to what they claim as "inconsistencies". I had multiple people tell me to get it and this is the first ive heard about it. im going to trust them on this but does anyone have more information on this?

So what were the claimed inconsistencies..

I too would like to know what the inconsistencies are. Nick has been nothing but helpful when I've pinged him on facebook and gives me zero reason to doubt the quality of their products.

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Here is mine, too long, bottomed out on oil pan. After months of trying to get a replacement I told them to just forget it. I initially just asked for the measurement on how long it should have been and I was going to cut it myself. They insisted of me sending it in, I should have said forget it and just cut it the same length as the stock pickup. Basically paid 130 bucks to write a "do not recommend" review on their FB page.

god damn it I just bought one

did you get the wrx one? arent those longer than the twins ones? i wasnt sure if this was unique to the twins or it was overflow from wrx stuff. either way now i have a pickup sitting on my bar

Most people I have heard got one had no issues. I don't think I would worry. I am not even that annoyed it was messed up, it was the whole ordeal of them getting me a replacement I just said forget it.

care to measure yours now? I can compare mine to yours to see whos is bigger :thumbsup::lol:

I don't believe so, I think the wrx one points a slightly different direction. This one was just too long. When I sent Nick the picture he just said, "I think I know what happened."

It would have worked had I just cut it.

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I sent it back to them last summer. this was a year ago I ran into this issue.

I used an IAG shortblock and my very competent engine builder used one so guessing there are no issues ay least with the FA20 version. I looked at it before install and it looked like a very solid unit compared to stock

it's insane they wouldn't fix such a simple issue. Like give you a credit and tell you the correct size or something so you could cut it, would go such a long way in maintaining a good customer relationship :iono:

They were supposed to send a replacement, they just forgot...........3 times :bonk:

I am sure they are good guys and the intent was good. The follow through though just didn't happen.

Hey Tommy, do you have a baffled oil pan as well?

I heard that it does pair up well with the maperformance pan/ full blown pan with baffle.

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i just measured mine with some calipers on a table and its 3.455" tall not sure what oem is. also i did get a bluemoon baffle because id like my engine to continue to get oil

I don't have a stock one to measure right now. I haven't tore apart my spare motor yet.

100% recommend the baffle.

the oem one i pulled out of my donor is 3.61" so slightly taller

No

That's one epic QC fail. Thanks for calling them out on it.

I second this. Thank you!

For such a critical part, not to have strict 100% control via a measuring jig for example (which is based on the dimensions of the OE part - length, angle,...) is beyond me :(

This pick-up tube was also on my radar.

Perhaps I'll just make one myself...

welp i had no idea this was an issue, i guess this is what hes talking about

I have had mine for over 5,000 miles and multiple track days, no issues so far...

Just a datapoint. I just installed a KillerB pickup with a bluemoon baffle and everything fit fine. The pickup does come with a new set of socket head cap screws which I believe are too long though. It felt like they were bottoming out so I used the original OEM fasteners instead

Can confirm bluemoon baffle and killer b oil pickup should work together with the oil pan. I mocked it up and its fine.

Also the provided allen bolts don’t bottom out. The bolt whole is about 19mm deep and the allen bolt is about 16mm. I even hand threaded the bolts in without any resistant.

Dry fit your oil pan over the top of it. That was my issue, pickup hit the oil pan.

Yea thats what i did. It fits perfectly.


This is the end result. This pic is of when i applied the threebond on it. Sorry it isnt the best pic.

Need some more info on the killer B pickup tube. Does it make much difference in real world? I see other threads where the positive pressure from the pump didn't change noticeably at all. Is it worth $130-150?

I just bought and put the KillerB pickup in as part of my new short block.


Just for reference, here are some pictures of the amount of sealant I had in my engine. I had a new short block at around 54k miles, then the valve spring recall done at around 65k, and my engine spun a rod bearing at 74k due to oil starvation back in July. I was finally able to get around to putting a new short block myself now (almost done!). Because of this alone, I'll be dropping the oil pan after around 1k miles or so to clean out the pickup and the pain, but I think just the killerB being larger will make a big difference.



In the second pic, I tore back the mesh filter to see what was underneath. In the third pic, that's the amount of sealant I shook out of the tube.


https://i.imgur.com/LjVW9hp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SFnbsHk.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/vmWDtdD.jpg

Do you think replacing the pickup tube with another brand new OEM pickup tube would be just as helpful?

The reason I'm asking is, the OEM tube has a bend, compared to Killer B tube. If Subaru chose to use a straight tube, it would have been cheaper to do so, instead of spending extra dimes for that bend feature. Now it makes me wonder why Subaru would spend more to bend the tube while it could have kept it straight and lower the cost by a few dimes.

It is pretty well outlined with data in @ETM_Shaman's thread which you have already posted in. Who knows why they put the bend in there, it is not necessary.

Yes I think it's probably worthwhile based on all of the data outlined here. Especially with these engines glued together like they are, the bigger tube is probably better.

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I just came across this thread.

Sorry to hear about the couple poor experiences. That's not typical for us an I apologize. We did have customer support issues a while back, between office managers and shipping guy, but it's no excuse.

Subaru did change pan part numbers in the first gen BRZ, and there are some difference vs the WRX as well. One of the things that's different in the length.

As far as the OEM part, they likely did it the way they did to use at little material as possible in the flange and cup section. Or maybe because the OEM tube is so thin, the bend reduces vibration? We could speculate all day long. My bet is on the OEM (which is not Subaru) making the best part, while meeting the minimum specs, for the least dollars.

Our unit is closer to the back of the pan, but there's still ample clearance.

Thanks so much, and for posting!

We had a spot weld failure on our 2015 WRX take out our first FA20 engine in that car :(

There was a lot of silicone in it as well,,,as well as metal bits too :thumbdown:

https://killerbmotorsports.sharepoin...60cQg?e=X7mgvA

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Unless you build it wrong :bonk:

Which in your instance, we clearly did :(

So sorry we didn't get you sorted out when that happened.

I know we don't make much 1st gen BRZ stuff, but if there's anything we can do to help you forget that experience, please don't hesitate to PM me.

The fact that it was built wrong didn't really upset me, it was the two failed attempts at correcting it. My suggestion still stands from my last message to Nick, pass it on to someone else. I tend to not be interested in dealing with a company after so many problems just trying to resolve one issue.