should be the last year if its a GM product :D I dunno about now but they used to have a tendancy to get the car right on the last model year before it gets cancelled or replaced.

Me, i'll get a new first year if the 2022 is up my alley,
I'll be looking specifically for the 2018-2020 model year if I find the first gen perfectly fine for my needs.

I saw the local Subaru dealer had a new WRB BRZ with PP in the service showroom area. I wonder if that will move in the spring, or will it sit? Someone who is sensible will probably buy it for invoice plus a tiny bit.

I put down a deposit on the weekend of its announcement.

So yes.

I also bought an 86 first year, and while people complain about the this and that, my car was perfect. Not even a single rattle after 8 years.

I’d definitely buy a Toyota first year. Not sure about other makes.

Do I want this second gen? Oh good God yes! I do. I don’t “dig” the Honda looking back lights (from YouTube vids) but I still would love to have a rear camera and more torque na stock car.

I love mine (2014) and what little things I’ve done with it, so I’ll hold out a few years into the second generation....

https://i.imgur.com/8PJZ3CM.jpg

Now the actual tough question is, “should I buy the 4 cylinder Supra?”

The FRS 2.0 is on my mind, no doubt, but the 4 cyl Supra is the only one that calls me nonstop. Saw a pearl white wrapped GR the other day on drive from LA... ooof. Instant love... I just don’t think I’d enjoy the automatic driving on a daily basis. Yeah, I’ve test driven them.

Same. I'll wait to see what the "performance" version looks like and may upgrade eventually. I'm fine with my 2017 PP for a while.

If your an existing owner (I had to sell mine this year), I reckon you might be well served waiting for the final edition run in 3 or 4 years.

Because if they continue the car after that, I imagine its going to be electric or a hybrid with a really small ICE.

You really think they went to all this trouble with the new engine just to ditch it in 3-4 years? I reckon the FA24 is here to stay until the gen2 twins are discontinued, which I reckon will be 7-8 years.

Nah, if we see a gen3 maybe, but I can’t see them re-engineering and re-developing such a small volume sports car with a hybrid or electric engine after just 3-4 years. There is no need, even Europe isn’t planning on banning the sale of new ICE cars until 2030 at the earliest. No reason to try and cram an electric or hybrid engine in the twins before then. To what purpose?

Actually, earliest is 2025 (Norway), and there are a couple of others before 2030, but they aren't full bans like Norway is.

The answer for you (the only one that should matter) is, drive it, and if you like it, buy it. You are the only one who needs to be happy with your choice.

But otherwise, I think the answer is no. I would never in any parallel universe or dimension ever consider buying a 4 cylinder Supra. But that's just me.

I would also suspect that if someone is happy with a BRZ/86, they might not be happy with a Supra. While superficially there are similarities (small 2 seat sports car), there are also fundamental differences. One is a lightweight, simple, flingable, inexpensive sports car with a manual transmission; the other is a BMW tourer with different skin and automatic transmission only.

For me, a manual transmission is an absolute must-have (at least as long as my aging bones and slowly progressing arthritis can still drive a stick). An automatic is just a sterile, soulless transportation appliance to me. The day will come when I can no longer push in a clutch without unacceptable pain. But that day is not today.

I personally like the styling of the Supra, even if it is more cramped inside than the BRZ/86. But I also wouldn't want all the maintenance and reliability headaches that can come with a BMW (been there, done that, sued BMW (and won) under a Lemon Law statute, won't go there again). But even though the Supra is just a (admittedly good looking) reskinned Z4 in drag, I'd still consider it - but only if the 6 cylinder version was available with a stick.

But back to the original point - if you like it, then it's right for you.

I think what he meant was when the final edition (revision) run starts in like 4 years from now, which will last until the end of the 2020's before they change to EV or something for the 2030's.

So true, there’s no guarantees with this. I remember the 200SX/Silvia (S15) when they came out, I really thought about getting one. But I put it off and spent money on practical things and thought I’d get one “some day”. Then all of a sudden they stopped making them. Model run was from ‘99 to ‘02.

I still kick myself for not getting one and now they’re increasing in value and are worth more than 350Zs, which were more expensive at the time. One of the reasons I got in early with the 1st gen twin, I didn’t want to make the same mistake.

Yeah I do think they will end production by 2025.

Its not just the outright bans, its the amount that restrictions are tightening from 2025 for those places without bans - your looking at luxury cars (where they can pay money to be dirty) and hybrids and ultra small turbo engines being the only place where ICE will exist. Then that ending mostly in 2030, and then completely by 2035.

These models aren't made for volume, they are made as icons for the brand. They wont re-engineer it that fast correct, they will just stop it.

My guess is that a rebooted Celica (outed recently in trademarks) is the electric model they are planning to take over the low cost sports car segment for them.

I’m still waiting for the turbo Sti version.


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I'm wondering what the break down looks like of those that currently have a twin vs those that don't.

that's really never going to happen, especially considering the ICE ban coming at 2035. there's not enough space for an OEM to do it as the car sits right now, so it would require a change in the chassis.

I guess you didn’t hear the sarcasm out of my voice


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i'm just used to everyone else complaining about that not actually happening.

Boom.

Exactly the same, I have a '17 PP, and the handling and brake feel are so good. I would definitely consider an upgrade once they add the PP to the 2022 refresh.

Depends on what the specs of the STi and 400Z are.

The 400Z may not show up for quite a while. 2021 is unlikely.

Getting 2022 BRZ on a novated lease, so no worries if it blows up.

I’d buy a first year copy but my 2013 BRZ only has 52,000 miles on it. It could take another 5-6 years to hit 100k. Unless it gets hit or electric gremlins set in I’ll wait.

If they came out with an electric all wheel drive with realistic 400 mile range and fast charge, I’ll sign up immediately if not sooner.

Yeah, as recently as December I was hearing "Spring 2021", but now I'm hearing "Spring 2022".

You'll be wanting the new 'Celica' then ;)

Nope!

Or whatever Subaru call their twin then?

Because that's the car being designed, Electric AWD twins. You said thats what you want?

Personally I can't stand the thought of having a 'sports' electric. Family transport car, sure, but sound, no gear changing, always online, data reports to HQ... Bleh!

"Spring 2023", "Spring 2024", ...

Just get a used or new 1st gen. You'll have it now and enjoy life just as much if not more.

The pandemic has changed everything, including timing of new car launches.

I must say, the car has grown on me and doing some basic bolt-ons and a tune could make this car sweet.

Yes!

Yeah, seems significant delays are very common now. I fear the early adopters hoping to get into their new twin in 2021 will be waiting until 2022 at best.

One would think that everyone is accustomed to delays and unavailability by now and plans for that. Last summer we had people walking into the shop saying, "I just sold my bike so I can order a new one. Will it be here next week?" The look on their faces when we said, "Maybe by September." I'm hearing this summer will be just as bad. I've already accepted that I won't get a new car until May '22 (but I was ECSTATIC to hear yesterday that my new DH bike ordered Sept '19 just arrived).

Literally waiting on one to come into a showroom that I can drive. If its all I remember it being (plus the new engine difference), then I will be ordering one with the performance package (as soon as that's available) and trading in my 2018 Mustang GT/6 speed for it. In black of course.


Either way, waiting until at least spring at this point. The Mustang is a summer and salt free weather car, so no point in getting it late in fall when I'm putting the Mustang away for the salty Michigan winter. The BRZ will be the same way until my winter beater bites the dust then I'll see how I feel.



The whole winter beater situation is very long story so I'll save it unless anyone really want to hear the saga.