This thread was starting to remind me of the 80-90's book/movie genre where nuclear world obliteration began with computers playing games of chess, people pressing the wrong button accidentally, and Russia invading america and teenagers being the only ones capable of stopping it

I agree, if I wanted to participate in a conversation like this, I would just call my sister - :rolleyes:

While I understand the sentiment, this post fails to take into account that the lockdowns took place to avoid overwhelming emergency services with possible cases. Many more would've died in the mad rush to hospitals had the lockdown not been enacted. Like I indicated previously-start telling people what symptoms indicate a condition, and suddenly everyone's got those symptoms...

This is really going to need more explanation, also contrasted with how less affluent typically live in less sanitary environments, and also tend to have less sanitary habits.

#6 Public health should focus on high-risk populations. For #COVID19, many standard public health measures were never used to protect high-risk older people, leading to unnecessary deaths.[/quote]
So the interesting thing I saw talking to covid nurses was that the 'high risk population' morphed as the vaccine was released. Halfway through, the highest risk people were the 18-30 y/o's. Where they weren't yet eligible for the vaccine. But no one seemed to talk about that.

And what 'public health measures' is this referencing that weren't used?


Honesty is a double edged sword. If we go back to the beginnings of this thread even, there were a lot of expectations that because the government got involved, it could be solved quickly.

There was very little forethought into the matter for most of the public that this is a new entirely different strain of something and no one had an idea of how to fight it.

This resulted in a lot of panic when leaders stood up and ho honestly said "I don't know" and people started looking elsewhere for answers in many of the wrong but confident locations.

This gets into social science more, but the biggest problem here was that people saw a problem, and the appointed leaders didn't have an answer, but the people demanded they have a solid answer.

I think we've lost the methodology to reason with all the "shouting into the void" social media outlets. There's been plenty of smearing, disinformation and herd thinking on all sides of this event.

The nerve of me caring about public health, my own father died from Covid19.

You're one of the guys that likes to "lol' in this thread.

LOL now.

Microbio/biochem major at U of T. You? Lol

More people will die because of people like you.

Another member of the Tribe, too. I'm embarrassed for you.

Can't wait to see what Mr "pilot" will rebut with. I'm sure it will just drip with compassion and humanity.

Now are you going to LOL? Of course you will.

Hahaha if personal attacks got people banned half the people in this thread would be gone.

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One post your oh poor me my father died, then the next you'll be going on about the darwin awards...

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Oh wait is that a personal attack? Look what you made me become.

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Every day you spread your unvaccinated spit droplets and or don't mask is a far more offensive attack on the innocent.

Are you human????

Not looking for sympathy, I'm still alive and breathing, my dad isn't. He is the one that I feel sad about. I loved him and really miss him. Not a day has passed since he died that I haven't thought about him.

Darwin award- given to people whose poor judgement ultimately leads to their untimely and wholly preventable demise.
Oh no, that wouldn't apply to anti-vaxxers that end up preventably sick or dead, would it?

Geeze.

You're not worth spit, pal.

Take a breath.

He was just riling you up. Responding just means that he succeeded.

There's more tactful ways to deal with it

I'm thinking some of you folks should take a pill ...... :iono:

Deleted it as soon as I posted it. I hate to say it but that really offended me, though.

If what he did is considered success then I'd like to successfully....I better not say it.

He's another brave soul hiding behind the internet.

Eh... We all handle death differently. I was making jokes about it the week after my grandfather died.

But then I also absolutely lost it on a coworker over a $2.00 drill bit that same week...

The thing to remember is that there are things we can change, and there are things we can't. My grandfather went from being diagnosed with cancer to going through chemo to giving up and passing away all within a month. But then my grandma on the other side got re-diagnosed, and went through chemo and transfusions for nearly a year and a half(and every 3-4months, she would gather all of us for final goodbyes. Telling someone close goodbye repeatedly is really rough), where she became ever increasingly hostile towards my grandfather who was about the only one that could put up with her by the time she finally passed.

All of that taught me how much of a blessing it was that my grandfather passed away relatively quickly and peacefully in his sleep.


It's a lesson to learn from their stories and remember them for their life, not the way they passed--because we're all headed that way anyways.

I will LOL. Not because anybody you know died, but because of the stupidity and inconsistency of your own comments.

I don't give a shit about what your major is in and at what institution. There are Doctors with substantially more credentials than you that you'll dismiss because you don't like their opinion or position on this matter.

So it's funny that you try to wave your credentials around like they mean anything, but then will dismiss somebody with much higher credentials because they say something you don't like. But then you'll blindly agree with somebody who's like 1 step above a CNA here on the forum who wants to one day probably potentially definitely go to Nursing school, but you'll ignore any opposing viewpoint from a licensed practitioner. The mental gymnastics is astounding.

"More people will die because of people like you" Me? The Occupational Therapist who's been working at an acute respiratory facility where all my Patients are on trachs/ventilators year 'round regardless of Covid? Me, the person who received their first vaccination but devloped increased heart palpitations, fluctuating BP/HR shortly after, and have had numerous doctor appointments since to figure out why? Damn, you're right... This is all my fault. How dare I?

What's funny is that even though that happened to me, I recognize that my case is anecdotal, so I don't sit online and actively tell everybody to not get the vaccine. I elected (through discussions with my PCP) to hold off on the 2nd dose. I've had a reaction to another vaccination when I was younger, so I guess I could be at slightly higher risk for more severe side effects from it. That comes down to my personal choice though. I'm 29, pretty healthy, and don't have any real underlying conditions.

You say "Tribe". What tribe? The one that uses their own personal experience to try and shove their opinion down everybody else's throat and then dish out personal attacks and call them names, just to then turn around and cry wolf and say that everybody needs to play nice? If so, I'd suggest looking in the mirror, because that's been you in this entire thread.

The reason I laugh is because so many people in this thread try to act like they hold the moral high ground by saying that none of this should be political while simultaneously verbally attacking anybody who disagrees, and also blindly following whatever people in their own "tribe" suggest.

I remember a time when a certain party couldn't be bothered with Covid because it couldn't affect Super Tuesday. I remember those same people saying theres NO WAY IN HELL they'll take the vaccine because they didn't trust the Orange man. I also remember the other people who were all in favor of the vaccine when Orange man was in office. It's funny how everything switched at the turn of the new year when administrations changed. What's even more funny is to sit back and watch people argue in here trying to act like nothing of what they're saying is politically driven, when it's pretty obvious they're full of shit.

I have my own biases. I'm more of a conservative libertarian. I'll own it. I'll happily call out anybody I disagree with, regardless of party affiliation. I did it multiple times over the last 4 years (when it was warranted). I just don't believe in the sensationalism of the mainstream media, which includes Fox, CBN, and other right wing sources.

But reading some of the comments in here and how blatantly biased they are while the person saying them tries to act like they're completely neutral and saying ONLY fact with no opinion based argument whatsoever is such a fallacy I can't help but LOL with every page I read; and pretty frequently, its been your comments I'm laughing at.

But keep going. Keep calling for uNiTy and telling people to not be political and then act like a petulant child by crying wolf after hurling out insults. It's pretty cute.

Wow!

1. Conservative victimhood. - Oh we can't speak on social media! Except that we do constantly. Especially on this forum, where conservative opinions are accepted and anything calling them out get called political.
2. Weird appeal to patriotism. - The great freedoms, sacrifice, blah blah.
3. Etymological argument against racism. - It's not racist. it's just words! Your PhD in linguistics and your second PhD in logic impress me.
4. Complaint about vulgarity. - Clutch my pearls, Edna! Outrage! Outrage!
5. Strawman argument. - You didn't say this thing, but I'm going to imply that you said it and then knock it down. Hah!
6. Misdirection. - He's not a racist. He's a teacher! Ignore the racism and look at how nice a guy he is. Perhaps he's a vegetarian and loves his dog?

And this is why I try to avoid this place.

try harder

This all sounds made up.

Lieberman, keep the politics out. Not everyone here is in the US and this is NOT a political issue, regardless how hard people try to politicize it.

It's a medical issue pertaining to public health worldwide.

PS the Spanish flu pandemic of 1919 took 3 years to end. This is 2021 and we are far more capable except for the damn petri dishes that insist on running their mouths. Fortunately over 70% of my country is double vaxxed and we will hit 80% soon. I care about other countries in this worldwide community as isolationism isn't an option.

I hope you enjoy your opinion being in the tiny minority if you're anti vax. I also want to express "no thank you", to those that don't vax for no reason other than paranoid. What the heck does the whole rest of the world care if it is FDA approved? Olestra is FDA approved for f sakes.

There are some people that shouldn't be vaxxed due to their individual condition. I'm not saying people should blindly oppose their doctor's advice.

Re: " There are Doctors with substantially more credentials than you that you'll dismiss because you don't like their opinion or position on this matter.". Uh, no. Maybe there is that one idiot on YouTube who is driving while talking and videoing himself talking about the ineffectiveness of masks. His career would be OVER if he lived here I bet.

For somebody who claims to have gone to a university, your reading comprehension is lacking a bit.

Nope. It’s well documented on HuffPost, so it’s definitely real.

No, I just don't find what you say particularly interesting and don't hang on your every word, sorry.

If you are scared of side effects and don't take vax#2 that's your business but how can you be working with respiratory patients? Many places would not have you working there any longer. Your career could just as easily be trying to recoup income through litigation after being dismissed, especially in the US.

Regarding "credentials", I worked in the engineered building business for many years, not at all related to biology. The school thing was not precursor to my career unfortunately but was interesting. I'm happy I did it too since I finally realize how important it was and I probably do understand a bit more than your average Joe regards to infectious disease. It might not have seemed useful afterward, but seeing how ignorant so many people are and the possible outcomes, it is survival knowledge.

PS the competition in Toronto for the medical profession is massive. I know a guy that had grades similar to me so he paid over $80K US to study medicine for 2 years in St Kitts where acceptance is easier until he tried writing the exams in Toronto and fell WAY below the cutoff. Our standards are high. I wouldn't want to go to a Dr like him, if he was somehow to squeak by at the bottom of his class.
I don't know of any antivax doctors aside from possible whack jobs on YouTube. Nobody with credibility.

I only listen to what Tucker Carlson tells me now.

Your response shows your ignorance on how this all works. Maybe it’s different in Maple land.

Obviously sarcasm, but I can only imagine how awful he is. I wouldn’t know though, since I don’t watch cable TV

Youtube. And it's about as entertaining as the latest F&F movies depending on the topics.

I thought all he did was ask questions?

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Go ahead, tell me how it is. It's not that different here. How much time have you spent here to know? . I never met anyone in real life who says "aboot" although a youtuber from BC does I've noticed.

If I ran respiratory patients therapy, there is no way I'd have any people not fully vaccinated working there.

Go ahead, tell me how it is. It's not that different here. How much time have you spent here to know what it's like?

If I was responsible for respiratory patient therapy, there is no way I'd have any people not fully vaccinated working there. Let them work with something less sensitive, or if they simply deny vaccination without valid medical reason, be given warning.

I don't disagree but according to the cdc, even immunized people can transmit the delta variant quite easily so it would still be for personal protection more than anything else.

By reinstating masking guidelines due to the ease of transmission of the delta variant by immunized people they've given anti vaxxers another reason to hedge. Its unfortunate but imo gives those already skeptical of government agencies another bone to chew on

I know 2 tuckers. One's a car, the other sold bootleg movies in tech school.

Neither of which were things to be proud knowing.

Yeah but as long as masking rules are in effect I can put off getting my teeth cleaned. Hell, I'm sporting a full on porn stache under my mask.

Oh, I got the picture - no cable out there in the desert?

:D

Another advantage I have found to wearing a mask, is that it keeps the drool from dripping off my chin - :thumbsup:

The acid bath of personal acrimony aside, several things about stories on the news are both heartbreaking, and deeply angering.

It seems at this point several things are inescapable. First, the current surge in Covid cases is real. Second, it was preventable. Third, a chorus of voices both on this board and off predicted both the surge we're witnessing and the one(s) to come. And fourth, the vaccine debate is an indisputably political question.

That takes me to the heart breaking part. The current surge is putting health resources nationwide under new pressures, subjecting front line health workers to stresses similar to those they faced 18 months ago. We did not have to be here. And yet, we are. And, that's heartbreaking. So now - we're back to mask mandates with the same chorus of voices whining about them, and refusing to comply.

This thread gained its initial momentum because of a lie. That lie was that the vaccines altered human DNA. Since then we've seen over 250 pages in which the same lie has been debated and new lies have been promoted, exposed, and replaced by yet more lies.

We've seen the introduction of all manner of straw men and red herrings apparently with the goal of obfuscating the basic questions and obscuring the culpability of those responsible. Because whether these individuals accept it or not, they do bear responsibility. And, I for one, blame them.

That leads me to the deep abiding anger and disgust I feel toward some of the participants in this "discussion." We did not have to be here. We are, because of you and those like you. You know who you are. Cajoling you hasn't worked. Offering the truth hasn't worked. Attempting to reason with you hasn't worked. Shaming you hasn't worked. You are incorrigible. To borrow a phrase from Walt Kelly's Pogo, "We have met the enemy and it is YOU.'

Interesting article that popped up in my news feed this morning

https://news-yahoo-com.cdn.ampprojec...151012591.html