Hopefully you’re able to get the vaccine soon.

Sorry for your loss. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience.

Sorry to hear of your loss.

Thanks.

mrs humfrz and I are "on the next list" - hopefully within the next few weeks.

Sorry for your loss, may your memories of him be a blessing for your family.

I've been pretty worried about the same thing. My grandfather is just a bit older than that, very similar situations (falls, being brought to get treatment, etc.) and we keep hearing of orderlies/nurses at the facility coming into contact with COVID.

:sigh: It will be nice when this is all over.

This is why it is sad to hear healthcare workers not getting the vaccine. I’m sure if they knew they were the cause then it would change their tune, but there is little accountability with an invisible and often untraceable virus. It also is upsetting that hospitals aren’t screening their employees by doing weekly testing. Profits over lives.

I think health care workers should be required to get the COVID vaccine.

:popcorn:

I don't disagree with you, and once the vaccine is approved (vs. being made available via emergency use authorization) it may very well be.

For example, in the hospital system where I work the flu vaccine is required of all workers. However, legally they could not require the COVID vaccine because it is not FDA approved.

At least that is the explanation I got.

This is exactly the problem in the U.S., and the heart of why the pandemic has been so woefully mismanaged and is raging out of control in the U.S. All the denial, balking at lockdowns and other containment measures, fighting against mask wearing, and other nonsense is because too many people - elected governmental leaders at the front of the line - prioritize near-term profits over lives.

The fallacy, and reality, is that they are actually mutually aligned. Experience has shown that economies thrive when people not only feel safe, but actually are safe to go out and spend money without having to worry about whether they might get sick, or die, if they go to a restaurant or store, etc. So many people just don't seem to understand that, and focus only about near-term profits and unsustainable revenues.

It really is simple, and comes down to this: unmasked people gathering in enclosed spaces is a recipe for infection. Period. Stop this and the pandemic can be contained, as it has been in Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam, Taiwan, Thailand, even China and Cuba, and to a lesser extent, Vermont and Maine. Ignore this and it will spread, as it is doing in most places in the U.S.

Allowing indoor dining in restaurants during a raging pandemic is one of the greatest lunacies. A recent study showed that it's possible to get infected in a restaurant in just 5 minutes being 20 feet away from an infected person:

https://jkms.org/DOIx.php?id=10.3346/jkms.2020.35.e415

A long list of public health experts have warned that indoor dining in restaurants, where people sit unmasked for long periods of time, is one of the most dangerous things during the pandemic. Yet, so many states allow it.

Rhode Island has been bouncing along with one of the highest infection rates in the entire world (first, second, or third, depending on the daily fluctuations in the data). Yet, the outgoing governor (to become the new Secretary of Commerce) allows restaurants to seat indoors at 50% of capacity. I heard from one of the RI state representatives that the governor essentially decided that a rate of 50,000 infections and 2,000 deaths per year was an acceptable trade-off for the 'balance' between saving lives and jobs. There are so many things wrong with that thinking, including that it's impossible to 'manage' a pandemic to a particular level of deaths. It's not a spreadsheet one can fineness and tinker with. But then, RI's outgoing governor is a venture capitalist, so it's probably to be expected.

It's a very steep price to pay to eat a hamburger indoors.

And then we get 74 year old New Yorker anomalies.. must be something in the water..

Yeah, I posted that study a while back. Even eating outside seems silly too with people all eating face to face and back to back.

On a separate note: I had some side effects from my second Pfizer shot. By bed time my right arm was pretty sore, which was about the same as last time, but about 3 pm I woke up feeling very cold with muscle aches. I turned off our fan and grabbed an extra blanket. I was still cold, and I was feeling chest pressure and breathing faster. I could tell my pulse was up. I took my temperature, and it was 99.6, so I called out to work. An hour and a half later, and I checked again when my wife woke up, and it was 100.2. At that point, I was feeling less cold and turned the fan back on and removed the added blanket, but nevertheless, I woke up a few hours later, and my temperature was 100.8. My resting heart rate is usually low 50's to mid sixties, but it was 85-90. O2 sat was 98-99%, but I was having less muscle aches; I did have a headache, but I drank some water in case it was just dehydration. I took some extra strength Tylenol and went back to sleep. I woke up a little bit ago, and I feel better. Heart rate is 63 and my temp was 98.9. I'll have to see if my temp goes back up, but I doubt it. My body is spent from the shivering and muscle aches from last night, but the headache is gone, chest pressure is gone, tachycardia and tachypnea is gone, so I am kind of chalking this up to the vaccine and not COVID or something else. Even my shoulder feels less sore.

Anybody seen Bourne Legacy? I felt like a just "viraled off" COVID. Well, it wasn't as bad as what he went through, but it was a strong immune response.

If anyone wants to see a list of ingredients, list of side effects or anything else then click the link:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

Honestly sounds sort of like how I expected based on what I read of results of the testing and also some super anecdotal, unverified experiences around the internet (twitter and whatnot).

As long as those side effects are just temporary, then it definitely seems worth it. But it does show that it'll probably be good if most people plan to take a day or two off the day they get their second dose.

Of course that'll be problematic for the people (lower income in most cases) who can't afford to take a day for recuperation.

I would definitely take a day or two. The first dose is nothing, and for some, the second might not be too bad, and honestly, this could have been something else, but I am pretty sure it was a strong side effect.

My temp now is 98.3, and I mostly just feel like hammered shit like hungover/dehydrated and still weak and sore, but improving rapidly. Definitely worth it.