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snuff58 11-23-2020 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M0nk3y (Post 3386779)
Why are you so against adding a rear wing element?

Spoilers like the 949Racing car result in a high drag effect as a results of a massive wake zone immediately behind the element itself.

My Versus front splitter + UCW Rear Wing at 6* AOA resulted in 2 mph less VMax at Mid-Ohio (122 vs 120 mph) into China Beach and still was ~1.5 seconds faster on the same tire same conditions.


I guess I'm not discounting a wing; an instructor I respect suggested a wickerbill.



Did you ever entertain that before adding your wing? (I'd love to be able to get to 120 on the back of Mid-Oh!)

snuff58 11-23-2020 08:56 PM

quote: M0nk3y
Spoilers like the 949Racing car result in a high drag effect as a results of a massive wake zone immediately behind the element itself.



Kyle, I thought this one was way on the drastic side!

M0nk3y 11-24-2020 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snuff58 (Post 3386970)
I guess I'm not discounting a wing; an instructor I respect suggested a wickerbill.



Did you ever entertain that before adding your wing? (I'd love to be able to get to 120 on the back of Mid-Oh!)

Hmm, so follow up question. Why does the instructor tell you to get a wickerbill? What's going on with the car that would dictate that (just trying to get a thought process behind it).

As far as me, no. I didn't entertain it because in NASA TT the point deduction for a rear wing element is the same regardless of what occurs and I know a wing is better overall for downforce levels I want to achieve.

And here's the comparison. Wingless vs Wing

Wingless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp8A...nel=KyleHerbst

Wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTF8...nel=KyleHerbst

Racecomp Engineering 11-24-2020 11:42 AM

Reasons to do a spoiler/ducktail over a wing? Cost, simplicity, convenience, rules, etc.
Not performance.

A proper wing will be far more effective.

- Andrew

snuff58 11-24-2020 10:11 PM

Okay, well, I feel a lot better about a WING.


Now for any input on various brands/models. . . . . . widths, riser heights, etc.

BigTuna 11-25-2020 10:20 AM

Verus and Nine Lives Racing are good companies that provide CFD data for their designs.

https://www.verus-engineering.com/sh...erodynamics-40
https://www.verus-engineering.com/sh...10?category=40
https://9livesracing.com/products/th...67f41453&_ss=r

NoHaveMSG 11-25-2020 01:14 PM

APR also provides freestream CFD data.

Icecreamtruk 11-29-2020 02:18 AM

More important than having a wing is having a balanced aero. A big ass wing without a front splitter (or with one that doesnt do shit, like 90% of "premade" splitters out there) is going to make the car understeer a lot, for no reason. Racecomp and monkey said it best, just make sure your splitter is up to the task, just sticking a flat piece of *insert your prefered material here* below your bumper is not doing much of anything.

Goingnowherefast 12-01-2020 08:17 PM

If you're not point/class limited, just get a big wang. https://9livesracing.com/collections...gt86-2012-2019

With the proposed SCCA TTT4 changes, people will be forced to run a TINY joke of a wing or a spoiler like the 949 racing is running. I will be for sure going with the spoiler in that scenario.

snuff58 01-01-2021 10:06 PM

And now, looking at slots in the trunk for chassis mounting da wing!! ( bought a second lid! )

M0nk3y 01-04-2021 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snuff58 (Post 3397086)
And now, looking at slots in the trunk for chassis mounting da wing!! ( bought a second lid! )

Why do you want to chassis mount?

ML 01-04-2021 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snuff58 (Post 3397086)
And now, looking at slots in the trunk for chassis mounting da wing!! ( bought a second lid! )

check out this post and another I made a few posts back in my build thread about making a simple chassis mount. Mine has stood up to 130 mph on a nascar track.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=177
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=155

snuff58 01-04-2021 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M0nk3y (Post 3397490)
Why do you want to chassis mount?

To avoid any flexing and may be using a unit that doesn't include mounts for our platform.

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