year 9... still no arm rest

I think this is.. kinda lol.. idk.. it folds open if you watch the redline video on the interior

I think their armrest design is basically there. The cupholder section folds closed and looks to be enough for one.

I thought this at first, especially problematic with the new folding cover over the storage area.

But the center console looks like it might slope upwards after the ebrake so it might slope high enough to act as an armrest.

Hard to tell though, need one of those first drive passengers to clarify it.

Meh, plenty of aftermarket options will be around just like this gen.

I really like my Carsmo since it's light, easy to take in and out, and feels comfortable while being close enough to the shifter and leaving space behind it for the cup holders.

The fact they brought back the Premium trim tells me that they are price conscious (and they should be; that has been the biggest issue with the cars IMO). The premium was $26,600 for a 2019 model. $27k is probably a reach unless they go hard on the decontenting (no standard LSD and stuff like that), but the car isn’t a drastic change in the market it occupies to be jumping up over $30k base. We will see, though.


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Am I the only one that sees a little bit of 350z, RX8, and Porsche 718?

There are only so many design cues to be had in a sportscar. Of course some things will look like other cars. Even the basic aero designs are all going to be similar.

Honestly I'm actually happy the second-gen will finally be getting a much-needed power bump. The styling itself... will take some getting used to. For me, the FR-S/pre-2017 86 is still number one for me.

Will I trade my current FR-S for one? Nah. I'll supercharge my first-gen before I trade to a second-gen. If my car ever gets totaled though, you bet I'll be looking at one of these.

Think the G-meter will be of any use this time around?

My expectations were definitely low after all the doom and gloom we had been hearing about development. Apart from the driving experience which remains to be seen, my biggest questions were torque and weight. So far it looks like Subaru did a good job with both. 184 @ 3700rpm sounds like nice midrange to pull out of corners, and keeping the weight around 2800lbs deserves a slow clap in a world of ballooning vehicles. It’s not the turbo car people clamor for, but it doesn’t appear to have betrayed the first gen. Besides it looks like Nissan is going to try and take care of the turbo crowd, fingers crossed that pans out to be a fun car too. Subaru has established what they want this car to be, an affordable lightweight sports car focused on handling. I think that’s fine and something we need in the market. I know I love mine. I hope the changes are enough for people to give it a chance again and that it sells.

Think that's similarly to how I feel. Won't be jumping into one any time soon in the coming years as I have other plans anyway. But if someone wants to wreck my car, I will likely be eyeing it up.

All & all I find the new updated look liveable if ever I would need a quick replacement but nothing really has WoW factor for me over the 17+ models.
But still happy I bought mine when I did.
Not sure about the dash, and looks to generic for a sports car.
Good they kept the toggle switches lined up business like.
The Start button location looks to beg knee pain on a long trip
A real manual handbrake on a 2022 vehicle what a great concept.

It will be a year before we are able to purchase, just enough time to get a feel on what the competition will have by then…

I actually like it too. Not the rear so much. But with a small drop, lip kit, and maybe a 17' esque spoiler and it will look great

Also, for those that brought up the small rear lip that sticks out at the rear wheel arches. Looks to be decent in its final form IMO.

the rear light and panel style reminds me a bit of the old Mitsubishi Japan FTO rear lights.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...i_FTO_rear.jpg

They finally put oil cooler from stock.

I get that they didn't fit a turbo to protect the Supra (despite saying it was for cost reasons, I dont buy it). However, I don't get why they couldn't make it a sexy looking car.

The rear is the biggest disappointment. From the side someone earlier mentioned there are accents from the RX8.. I see that too..

Subaru and Toyota clearly have one goal - to make it faster than the MX5. I suspect it might be.

However, if the 400Z is anywhere near how the prototype looks, there is no contest for me. The Nissan is sexier and faster but will be more money/ higher mpg.

What is curious is the Japs here have finally shown a clear lack of logic. These cars do not sell well generally and they will soon be pushed aside by electric. So they really needed to make this as sexy as possible and they didn't.

Yep, it’s not a massive deal breaker, but it’s just one those head scratchers.

I ultimately think the Toyota is going to be the better looking model this time around.

I'm the opposite, the rear looks fine. I think the front seems a little too busy for my tastes, but I wasn't a fan of the first-gen zenki BRZ either.

I hope that Toyota has a better looking grille for me.

Also, I'm betting you that the 205 HP FA20 will still be offered in the second-gen twins, but only in Japan, just so that customers don't have to pay the >2.0 tax there.

Tired watching a couple videos but damn are they annoying. A lot of them say things about the first platform that are not even correct and build things on the 2nd gen off those statements. :bonk:

Scratch that. Looking at it from different angles in the video, it sticks out from the bumper.

Looks are so subjective. I believe the 400Z looks like the worst modern car I've ever seen, but that's just me. There's plenty of folks claiming they love this look, you can only please so many. To be honest, they probably pleased the right people, those disappointed in the looks, like us, are probably the minority, as we are more pure enthusiasts of the first gen. The millions yelling about everything wrong with the first gen are probably the ones falling in love with the new looks.

Why didn'y they make the first ones turbo when the supra was still a picture on a drawing board then?
They are not "protecting the Supra" they are making the car they started out which was a low power NA not a turbo supercar.


How is beating the MX5 "clearly" a goal?


Who says they don't sell well? Are there piles around unsold? They sold all they made every year so they met plan. That is selling just fine. Let's not mix planned low volumes up with poor sales since they are two radically different things.

20% increase in displacement, 11% increase in hp.. lame

and that front bumper looks like a$$

and the rear tail lights look like a 8G accord coupe

The first gen BRZ and facelift models looked like their own car. This one looks like a Ferrari, Porsche and RC-F in just the 3/4 front view. That should be a complement right? Maybe it will grow on me, I didn't like the twins when they first came out and now one sits in the garage. lol



I like everything about that new engine. 2.4l 13.5:1 compression. Its going to love bolt-ons and E85. I learned my lesson with first year cars with my 2013 so I don't see one in my future as well as the fact the V8 RC-F chunky boy is calling my name.

No. That was a supplier issue that affected almost all Subaru engines at the time.

3 windshield squirters?


https://i.postimg.cc/yNWJkVtK/windshield-squirters.jpg

was just abt to point this out... knowing it's a subie boxer motor, this will prob be the case

There was no need to back then, the car was still close to the MX5 - its main competitor. MX5 only pulled away from the BRZ/GT86 recently.

We are not close to supercar speeds, with or without a turbo. The car is a failure commercially. A turbo would have helped the deficit in the looks department. However a turbo would get the car too close to the Supra.

MX5 is the higher rated car, faster too, better sales. It is no coincidence that one of the first comments - about anything from the Subaru test driver was: 'You have to compare it to a much better MX5.'


They don't make too many more than they are projected to sell. Sales have been disappointing from the get go I am afraid.

https://www.motor1.com/news/391178/s...ld%20in%202018.

https://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/21/...RuW0KBtvSgxS1w

https://carbuzz.com/news/despite-slo...2nd-generation

https://carbuzz.com/news/turns-out-t...-well-as-hoped

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...ison-test-win/

100s more but dont have time to copy and paste.

LOL clikbait commentators that do not know the difference between poor sales and planned low production.
Did you read anything beyond the headlines of those sites?
How a failure? They didn't sell Corolla volumes? Can you show me they wanted to sell Corolla volumes?
ALL sportscars dropped in the last few years. Check out Mustang sales.
They always said that they would never turbo this car. It should not have come as a surprise to anybody that they didn't.

Seeing engine bay pic:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/33iqmp5ATXT5m/200.gif

Anyone else notice that they increased wheelbase by .2 inches? I wonder which axel they moved.

Looks are subjective, of course, but I'm sure the performance of this new version will be much improved!


Like others have said, the design feels... off. Maybe it'll grow on people as it ages as people tend to not like refreshes at first. I'd be curious to see what the aftermarket will do for the much maligned front end. No helping the fundamental shape of those new headlight units though. From some angles it looks great (rear three quarter, profile) from others (front, front three quarter) it looks ungainly. The rear end looks like a Honda Accord mixed with Lexus RC-F. The front looks like a weird impression of Porsche something-or-other. On the interior, the new seats look fantastic and that dash design reminds me of the Toyota MR2 Spyder. I'm still trying to decide if that's a pro or a con... The digital gauge cluster seems like a checkbox the marketing department demanded be checked. Digital clusters tend to age quickly and this isn't a fancy enough one to really be excited about and runs counter to the "simple and affordable sports car" ethos of the car.


Mixed bag, really.

Liked this video from our good buddies at Motor1, who always post the most reliable, high-quality source material on the internet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjkmcTQVzD0

You sure about that?

This:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1599674382.jpg

https://images.spot.im/v1/production...pg17kacqinau9f

https://carwow-uk-wp-0.imgix.net/nis...1.0&q=60&w=750

Is worse that this?

https://media.autoexpress.co.uk/imag...ift%202020.jpg

someone asked for it in red.

https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-imag...300/777309.jpg

No 4 Wheel Steering

Middle one is for EyeSight cameras. Despite it being manual it still gets it.