Tranny sounds to be modified but not changed. That remains to be seen though.
No matter what it would be an easier swap than any other engine. Depends on what they can do to up the power though since the value in swapping may just not be there when there are so many options for the existing platform.

The gauge cluster is all digital? I hate that, it looks horrible and they are slow to respond.

I really like almost all of this update.

Front may take some getting used to. I’d like to see the car in Red.

One thing I definitely don’t like is the pre established license plate flat spot. Ugh.

In much of North America the sales for these things drops off to nothing in the fall. It is an odd time to start selling but that is the statement they made.
Could be as simple as they are not ready to go into full production at this point. We are still in COVID and many parts plants are running at reduced capacity or even completely shut down. It doesn't seem like it outside the industry but things are far from normal still!

I'm digging it.. looks like a gtr 35 front a bit .

And the build spec and how it fits in the market sets the price, not some incremental X feature adds $123 and Y feature adds $456. The spec between Premium and Limited appears to be more substantial (wheels go from 17 to 18, for example), so they could use that to keep the starting price low.

I do too, it shouldnt be surprising it'll look something like that.

Almost all the Toyota's look like that.
And mainly the GR Toyota lineup has that square shape as opposed to the more polygonal shapes in the other Toyotas.

Nobody has said otherwise.


Earlier in this thread I said I preferred the 86 organic lines to the BRZ industrial. If that render is even remotely close they have swapped positions with the 86 taking the industrial angular road in which case I like neither!

The good thing is I'm sure someone will do it, so we'll find out sooner or later.

Guess it depends how you look at value vs. reliability, I've always wanted to get that Edelbrock kit but I'm just concerned with reliability since it's my dd. I tend to just prefer OEM solutions, I digress.

Yes this whole covid will slow all car sales down due to not people working much.. not sure how long this will take ro recover but im sure will not be next year or maybe 2 or so.. the economy took a major drop and its nice to see subaru still make a car like this with this whole virus going on and fact that this type of platform is a rare thing now a days.

Parts cost money. New parts cost more money. The aluminum roof alone adds costs. Those formed skirts add cost. The ducting all adds costs. Sure they can wiggle things around but it will cost more to build. More cost to build means more price to sell. Unless of course they are willing to take a beating on them but something tells me they won't this time around. The price IS going to go up across the board.

Side by side I'm taking the toyota 111 times out of 100 over the Cayman wanna be.




EDIT: These two pictures side by side make it look like Toyota designed it and then handed it to subaru and said "good luck with a front bumper that works with these design lines!"

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Probably be released 8/6/21

370Z

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So if I just waited 8 years I could've
 

Saved a crap tonne of money.

$500 for spoiler standard
$500 for OFT
1000 exhaust
$900 for headers
$1200.00 for rims
$1200 for tires
$300.00 for lightweight pulleys
$100.00 for lightweight pulleys


All of the above Resulted in the 2022 Subary BRZ

clearly I should have been in on the new design LOL! :cheers:

For the record I like the new version. Interested to see the toyota version. My guess a little more aggresive looking.

Nice to still have choices in this segment.

Have a great day all!!!!!!!!

Yes, I understand the Covid situation, specially due to several parts being sourced from China. Japan doesn’t look bad for manufacturing, as far as I remember. May had delays on the development, 6 months was a std on the industry initially, but on the most important programs (not the case here) companies were able to rush and bring close to the initial plan.

When I saw the specs, I almost changed my mind from getting a 2017+ to gen2, then this fall stuff came in, which would throw my purchase to 2022...let’s see how it goes.

Agreed. I liked the latest version with the analog tach plus the digital window.

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I'm assuming this are the oil cooler from the other subaru vehicles 🤔

Is it just me?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d63a9a03df.jpg

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Way more Honda Civic-ish than I'd imagined it would be. As soon as I saw the taillamps I couldn't unsee all the Civic-ish styling cues. Not a complaint per se, however, any fears of buyer's remorse I had for buying a 2020 were all for naught.

seems accurate if you compare it too the camo test car.

https://i.imgur.com/z3uolEW.jpg

Dodge Viper
C7 Corvette
Some Ferraris.

Theres alot of cars with a similar looking fascia.

Only two seats. Also rules out the Supra.

I thought one of the big positives was that they would be using beehive valvesprings?

Call me crazy.

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My first thought was Ferrari Roma. Second was Viper.

some more interior pics

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Similar tail lights are pretty much the new standard across the Subaru line up so they were not a surprise to me at all.


The overall effect is not really Civic like in my eyes but more standardized Subaru cues.


The sizes vary but the design remains the same.
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I'd like to know if they fixed the most annoying thing about the interior ever:
The fact that the sliding seats don't have any sort of ratchet/locking mechanism to return them to their last setting (or at least hold them so they don't slam into your ribs when you're reaching into the backseat to load/unload) was a big oversight in terms of daily usage - it's something that my buddy's 1988 EF Civic hatchback already had....

2.4L engine... time for me to get back in to a 240... I mean BRZ!

Also, my first thought was the rear end looks incredibly like a Z4.

While everyone's oohing and aahing about the nice looking seats, which are an attractive update of the foam mold of the excellent Scion and do look nice... I'm more interested to see those door rails, with 50% more rigidity one way and even more the other. The high strength steel is on the topside, where weight savings is most important.

First model years always have bugs. We'll see what bugs this one has in a couple of years. :D

I like the interior better, especially the center console and stack.

Engineers figure out how to make things less expensive when they iterate designs. They could simplify the processing of any number of parts or assembly processes to basically cover for higher cost of other components. They can also decontent certain things that customers don’t find valuable to make room in the budget for things people do value. If they figured out how to use common parts from an existing product, they can reduce overall cost there.

I’ve literally been in benchmarking activities on new automotive production projects where we have done those exact things. Our cost reduction activity doesn’t change what we charge for the car, though. The price of the car is market driven. We get a cost target for our unit and we make it happen through process reduction, automation, and feedback to designers that could allow us to build it cheaper but achieve the same function targets. If we can get beyond that cost target, great, a pat on the back for the team.


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I dont like how it looks.

The current one had a design element to it, this one looks slapped together with different pieces.

Haven't been on here in a long time, was curious to see what everyone thought.

I was actually a big fan of everything, except for that grille. If they made it extend lower, I think it would look better. In any case, I'm quite the fan already.

The square part of the center stack is a little odd but the interior looks like a big improvement overall.

Dunno if I would get it. Peak torque at a lower RPM should do wonders in making the car feel less gutless.

Front - Porsche with Mutton Chop Brake cooling Ducts
Side - Baby Lexus RC-F
Rear - Last gen Honda Accord Coupe

I like the overall package, but the front and rear are underwhelming. The Lexus/Toyota side profile designs don't seem cohesive to the front and rear. I really hope the GR86 has different bumpers.

The interior redesign seems like a sidestep instead of an improvement. I'll pass on this 2nd gen but really want those seats and powerband. I wonder if/what suspension changes were made...

Ahhh shit, why did you have to mention this? Now I can't unsee it.

I would have noticed eventually, but still. More like, "why, Subaru?"

If the renders/spy photos end up correct, it will be a bit ironic now that the Toyota will have the mustache.

No one:
Literally no one:
Absolutely no one:
My opinion:

Design feels like they took elements from a few other cars and slapped them onto the BRZ and I'm not sure it works for me. Silhouette and lower front end heavily puts me in mind of a Z car. The way the headlights and fender/hood bubble puts me in mind of a Porsche Boxter. Car doesn't look bad in WRB but I'm not sold and think the previous gen looks better.

In terms of the 7000/7500RPM redline, it's totally possible to have the redline at 7000 and fuel cut at 7500. My friends RX8 is like this, redline is 8500 but it revs to 9000 before it cuts. This is normally denoted on the gauge cluster by light red after the redline and dark red after the fuel cut. We don't see this in the images but these pictures are pre-production so we will have to wait until this is clarified. It is very unusual to put peak power at the redline.

I saw a lot of people saying "front and rear suspension is derived from the existing model" but then they mention double wishbone in the rear for the new model. 1st gen cars are multi link, not double wishbone, so I'd like to see this point clarified.

Sounds like the motor got a healthy bump and if the previously posted torque/hp graph is to be believed, all but eliminated the torque dip. If so, it will probably quiet down the highway cruisers who complain endlessly about the cars power because they are too lazy to downshift. Also, 2.4L with 13.5:1 compression and a lot of people were already concerned about boosting the 12.5:1 first gen. Interested to see how it takes boost and how reliable it is at that boosted power level. I don't expect improved fuel economy though.

I have been doing it for 30 years. If they had decontent maybe. If they had not once again used a bespoke platform maybe. If they had gone more parts bin maybe. It does not appear they did any of this. The price is going to go up. Hopefully not too much but up all the same. Expecting to get one for $27 to $28K is a pipe dream.