Who cares?

Not sure what you mean. Yes it is a "new" version of an existing engine but unlike the FA20 they didn't develop a whole new engine for it just altered what they had.

Subaru marketing/PR and design team? :iono:

:bellyroll:

If I had to guess I would say number two.

You can pretty much confirm the bolt pattern as 5x114.3, as the GR Yaris is using the same style wheels (albiet in forged flavour) and has a 5x114.3 pattern. (I've also edited my original comment with this info)

2022 BRZ:
https://www.subaru.com/content/dam/s..._1920x1200.jpg

2021 GR Yaris:
https://car-images.bauersecure.com/p...ryaris_102.jpg

I marked the parts I don't like in red. The rest isn't bad. I think it would look best in black. I suspect the front end on the Toyota will look WAY better. Hopefully the Toyota doesn't have that ugly arched crease in the front fenders either. I know most people are bummed about the engine but it's better than 217 that was rumored. I suspect when driven it will feel like a bigger improvement than on paper.


Personally the best look would be the new trunk lid, rims and side skirts and all else 2016 FR-S.


https://i.imgur.com/0JPgnmx.jpg

While it really matters what we think, the long term survival of the vehicle is reliant on bringing in new buyers or at least getting some of that MY13 interest back. Ultimately, pricing is going to make or break this. If they keep the Premium at $27k - $28k, I'm good. If we are looking at $30k for a 6MT Premium... ehhh.

Well in that case it will be balanced out by all the Mustang forums that will hate it. I highly doubt they care much what VWvortex cares .

I will go on record as saying that there is not a hope in hell of seeing a $27 to $28K Premium!

Hats off to Subaru for not doing silly things with the weight - it's really an accomplishment to not turn a next gen car into a bloated pig these days. Really nothing but the utmost respect for Subaru :thumbsup:

Countdown to Valenti tailights and Tomei/Invidia fart cannons... :lol:

This was discussed previously (these BRZ wheels aren't shown for the first time), and although the wheels look similar, the GR Yaris are forged and have sharper lines, meaning they're definitely not the same.
The pictured wheels are 18" (based on the tire size of 225/40R18). Comparing the wheel diameter to the lug nuts, the PCD looks more like 5x100 (I measured around 95mm) than 5x114.3, but I'll admit my measurement is crude.

$29,950... probably. The Toyota version may actually be $28,950, depending on what is standard. Is the digital dash a Subaru thing, or will Toyota also get that? Same for the climate. Will Toyota go with the old rotary knobs like the base FR-S/ 86?

The reveal video mentions "optional tires," referring to the 18" MP4S tires. I'm wondering if the standard tires are 17" and you lose the leather seats, heating, and maybe some other niceties from the interior. The BRZ shown in the reveal video is probably 32~33K in manual. 35K for auto with Eyesight being standard.

I think I like the 1st gen's interior better. The new one is just a little too squarish for my taste.

https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2020...ru_BRZ_115.jpg
https://s.aolcdn.com/commerce/autoda...191A021012.jpg

Hopefully this one doesn't reflect on the windshield so much. That was my only real complaint about the interior on gen1.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=541

https://www.tokyoautosalon.jp/2021/

If the speculation is that one Camo mule is BRZ and one is 86 there may be hope for that face yet.


Known BRZ


https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/01...ride-along.jpg



Different grill shape and pattern no big motherin' ducts


https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...baru-BRZ-3.jpg

well that sucks.
They should just reveal it right now....with the Subaru..
its essentially the same car.


The only thing thats really left is how different the front fascia
From all the camo mules it looks like all you need to do is just take a GR Yaris lower fascia and just past it onto the front fascia of the 2022 BRZ.

is and how different the interior is (likely just black/silver coloring like the current one, and whatever the infotainment looks like)

With regards to the platform and motor..."all-new" and "bespoke" mean different things to different people. It's probably a mix of existing and SGP pieces which is fine and about what I was expecting. And a heavily modified FA24 specific to this car probably qualifies as "new."

My quick thoughts:

Horsepower, torque, and weight all seem good. Never believed the turbo rumors.

I'm thinking the 7000 rpm redline is a typo in the press release. Clearly 7500-ish in the images.

Very slight increase in wheelbase (.02 inches?) possibly due to more caster.

Not convinced on 5x114.3 just yet but it's certainly possible. The stock wheels aren't terrible at least.

Michelin Pilot Sport 4 as factory tires is extremely good. No they're not track day all star tires but that is a very solid factory tire.

Interior and seats look pretty good. Porsche inspired for sure...I think they mostly pull it off. Love the instrument cluster.

For the exterior, well that's up to you. I personally think it looks...fine? Maybe a little too much going on, maybe too many "influences" (porsche, lexus, infiniti, buick regal), but I'd like to see it in person.

Still have lots of questions but overall I'm excited. I think the 2.4 is going to be awesome and there's plenty of potential. Can't wait to get underneath one and poke around to learn more about the suspension!

- Andrew

for me the interior is kind of giving off an IS vibe.

https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2020...-SPORT-018.jpg

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1605631543.jpg

Boxer instrument cluster with oil temp gauge!

https://images.summitmedia-digital.c...05/23/86_2.jpg

the 2017+ updated gauges in the higher trim cars had the oil temp gauges.

regarding the 86, i think a lot of the renderings based on the camo car gives us a pretty good idea of what to expect. if accurate, i prefer the front bumper to the BRZ.

I agree with this. I also did a crude adobe illustrator measuring exercise and was leaning towards 5x100. Could be off, but that's still my guess for now.

- Andrew

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This line makes me a bit nervous "A narrowed greenhouse accentuates the bold fender flares"


One of the things I really did not like at all when I sat in a Supra was how close the window was to me. It felt tight and confining even though it really wasn't. The green house in the 86 has never felt like that and even though it may seem like a minor point it is a serious consideration for some and something that all the old reviews touched on as a positive.

Could have been more awesome with oil temp and pressure, with a small fuel gauge on the bottom row opposite the odometer.

Oh yeah.

Still a much better overall gauge cluster on the new one!

- Andrew

The 2020 limited starts at $29,700 after destination. It isn't out of the realm of possibility depending how they package it.

Don't care for the look. Not for me.

I'm anxious to see what parts available now will swap over if any.

The steering wheel looks identical.

To many changes to predict price based on old models. None of those "upgrades" are free.

I think they just narrowed the rear part looking at the pictures.

Just a rendering, but I think Toyota's version will address the front bumper complaints.

https://s.aolcdn.com/os/ab/_cms/2020...ru_BRZ_032.jpg
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/7x...renderings.jpg

I like my ts 2020 more 😌 not digging the new style. The current ones will be like a OG style 90s classics in time. Im a simple guy, I like new tech but analog gauges are like a nice time watch for me even tho I have a smart watch 😅

I actually don’t hate this cluster now because you pointed this out lol

The styling is for me is kinda meh from the pictures.

I don't like the designated area for the front plates, if you run without a front plate it'll look dumb.

I much prefer the rear design of last gen, not diggin the civic tailights.

I'll just be left wondering if the 2.4 will swap...assuming the transmission is the same.

OH GOD IT IS WORSE!


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...z1kvBv82iAzP5A

To each their own. I like it better. :iono:

I liked the specs and updated-ish chassis. Sure have a lot of potential for upgrades on engine power NA, which is good.

If it was spring, then would be a good thing, but fall..why? Doesn’t make market sense to me, some will wait till next spring (not the anxious early buyers)