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Originally Posted by gymratter (Post 3384843)

what about when 2025 comes, didn't Toyota plan to offer every model with a hybrid option by then?

I have no clue... well I can guess what's gonna happen, but it's not official from Toyota/Subaru.

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Originally Posted by Red-86 (Post 3384847)

Do you know why they decided to keep going with gen 2? Given the apparent lack of passion around the project, unlike gen 1?

Lack of passion doesn't mean, there isn't a greedy ppl who wants some honey out of this car. Sound mean to say it, but hearing some of the back end stuff makes me sad. This is what happens when passionate staffs get pushed & shoved around. Higher up greedy ppl put "Yes sir" staffs to work on it instead of passionate staffs. Giving some of the engineers who kept that passion for this gen gets some props, cuz they really did work hard to make pointless shit out of this car much as they can. Early last yr info I heard was totally nightmare... but they def turn things around.

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So this new BRZ and the eventual new 86 are the unwanted children of an unhappy marriage? Not good! Let’s hope the kids turn out alright in spite of the parents! ;)

86/BRZ have been pushed around by both parents. BRZ have always been unwanted from Subaru. While Toyota was advertising 86 like mad crazy... But you know one yr Subaru start pushing BRZ more and more, while Toyota kinda fade away? Yeah... wonder why coughnextgenteamdecidedcough

Hopefully next gen will see some stage... but only time will tell.

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Originally Posted by sftateofmind (Post 3384744)

Hard pass on that civic backend. As a gen 1 owner I just want the new tech & maybe a steering wheel adjustment since I’m tall.

My Steering wheel adjusts in & out, up & down in the current gen....

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 3384782)

Cost more to replacement windshield due to eyesight needs to be calibrated and has to use subaru windshield they use from what I was reading.

Only if you get a 6AT, Eyesight is not available on the 6MT

Did they keep the 4.3 rear end

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3384806)

FYI keeping it NA got nothing to to do w Toyota or Supra. Can’t say much cuz it’s inside stuff.

Will we ever know this inside stuff, and if so, when?

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Originally Posted by spike021 (Post 3384868)

Hmmmm.

https://i.imgur.com/7T8EAwW.jpg

looks like someone gave the BRZ a wedgie

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3384867)

Will we ever know this inside stuff, and if so, when?

Prob, never... & prob best not to know

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Originally Posted by airrick (Post 3384814)

Dont really like the look, but full torque at 3700 rpm? Dang thats an improvement.

Fun fact, that's a higher rpm than max torque on the gen1. The difference is this one is flat to 7krpm.

This is a compromise sacrificing some top end power for the flat torque I think.

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3384872)

Prob, never... & prob best not to know

But... But... I need to know. What could have been, what happened, the drama, the intrigue!

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3384875)

Fun fact, that's a higher rpm than max torque on the gen1. The difference is this one is flat to 7krpm.

This is a compromise sacrificing some top end power for the flat torque I think.

From the gauge cluster dyno chart, it looks like torque drops a little from the 3700 peak to redline (with small dip in the middle). Peak HP yields a 171.1 ftlb, vs. 184 ftlb at the torque peak.
Current gen 2017+ has 156 ftlb at peak torque and 153.8 ftlb at peak HP, albeit in a much narrower powerband.

I'll reserve judgement until I drove it, but I feel like they went with the spirit of the times - more low end torque, less top end. It's a wonder they kept the high revs at all, though. Hopefully the top end will still be exciting.

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Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast (Post 3384895)

I'll reserve judgement until I drove it, but I feel like they went with the spirit of the times - more low end torque, less top end. It's a wonder they kept the high revs at all, though. Hopefully the top end will still be exciting.

Ah, but it has more low-end torque *and* more top end! I'm very encouraged that peak power is still at 7000rpm, and that redline is still 7400, maybe 7500.

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Originally Posted by WC-BRZ (Post 3384812)

Does the new 2.4L really have 13.5:1 compression? I'm trying to do a search and confirm it, but can't find much. If it really is that high, how is this usable everyday unless you put something barely below race-gas grade in there!?

First post this thread.
"Compression ratio 13.5:1"
That is straigt off the Subaru press release

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Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast (Post 3384825)

Mazda run 13:1 and 14:1 in their SkyActiv G engines, not to mention 16.3:1 in the SkyActive X, all that on regular fuel.
The new 2.4 will probably demand premium, same as the current engine, so somewhat less of a challenge.

Same fuel system and even higher compression so a safe bet it needs premium.