Agreed, it’s impossible to please everybody!

We should be getting close now to the unveiling... hopefully :)

Yup! And while I'm not planning to reup to the newest 86 (I'm holding out for a GR Corolla), I am still excited. I still have hope we can keep a fun, sporty, car alive to compete with the Miata. :party0030:

-Not enough power
-Needs 50more hp
-Needs a turbo
-0-60 is "only" 3 seconds....4.4 seconds.....5.5 seconds....too slow

-Not "raw" like the original
-Too soft, and floaty compared to the original
-Too refined...doesnt feel like an extension of the mind.
-Too expensive
-Not light enough
-Too harsh for everyday driving
-No back seat delete
-Has a back seat
-No rear seats unlike the original
-Too big and heavy
-Too much like the Supra
-Lack of soul unlike the original.

Everything that the original was complained about will have been addressed, and they will complain about all the thigns that was addressed that they wished the new car didnt have because it "ruins" the car.

And even if they only make 5,000 of them and sell out the press will say "the sales numbers are disappointing" since they won't compare to Corolla or Camry totals!

So basically it will be a genesis coupe.

it will come with andriod auto surely?

If they use the same HU they used in the 2020s they can shove it up their android!

Yeah. BTW Tcoat, did you replace yours?

Not yet. Haven't decided what to go with yet. It will be done in spring with something though.

Let me know. I am very interested, but don't want to mess with it until someone else has done it. Are you Android Auto or Apple CarPlay?

I am happy enough with the sound quality of my 2015 FR-S. My two great wishes are to get the built in amp operational, and route the BU camera to the headunit instead of the mirror.

Doug

What's up with your HU?

I would probably be happy if I could get the door speakers separated from the dash and amped like they should be as well really. I think that using the woofers unamped is most of the issue..
I have Apple

The one in the Hakone bypasses the amp and powers the door speakers with the dash ones. It sounds like total crap.

Huh really?! I wonder if my tS is like that...I never listen to the radio really so never paid much attention.

Kind of strange why they went that route...

My BRZ sounds like crap with the amp bypassed or powered.

The BRZ has a totally different head unit that still uses the amp.
No it isn't the greatest ether but is is several units of magnitude better than what the put in the Toyota.
It is almost like they got them at a yard sale and just sort of made them work as best they can.

One option would be to swap them out. There's a good change the harness is the same.

I've never say in the Toyota, but I made an amp bypass plug, and can't notice any change between bypassed or not.

Have considered that but if I am going to go to the trouble I am going for a big improvement.

It doesn't just bypass the amp it hooks it in with the dash speakers. There is zero separation. I have heard the 2020 BRZ system and it sounds much better.

Same here regarding separating the woofers from the dash speakers and reinstating the amp. I am Android.

The 2020 model year toyota 86's swapped out the basic panasonic head unit for an Android auto/apple carplay enabled JBL one that bypasses the amp and everyone says the sound quality kind of sucks, its especially bad when paired with a phone for voice calls.

The phone and voice directions from the Carplay are virtually unusable. Even at max volume they are little more than whisper loud.

Hopefully this will be one of the improvements. If not, it may lead more folks to a BRZ than an 86 if sound quality from the audio system is a priority.

I doubt it is a major consideration for most but those of us with long commutes would at least be able to have something functional.
I really think it was simply a matter of the system not being compatible with the existing setups in the cars and it not being worth the trouble or expense of changing the whole setup for the one year. The bypass is done at the dealer level by using a basic, cheap adapter right at the amp. I would hope that in the new cars the whole system was designed from scratch to work with the HU.

I think it's safe to assume that the majority of people looking at these cars do not have the sound system as any kind of priority, maybe not even a consideration. Definitely one of the very last thing on people's minds.

Until it works like crap then it suddenly becomes a priority. They made a big deal about having Apple and Android capability but the reality it is that it is almost unusable due to their shortcuts.


Don't think that everybody that buys the car is a racer boi wanttabe and it may be more important than you think to many many owners.

I fit into the latter. Probably my BRZ/86 will never hit a track and since the 2 are mechanically identical, it will come down to color selections, creature features, pricing and dealer reputation that will guide the decision making process that selects one over the other.

Yep.
I spend many many hours a week in my car and put on more miles in a year than some do in all the time they have drove it since 2013.
Is fun when people that drive 6,000 miles a year say they don't care about comforts since it is a "driving" car!

Well, that's why I bought a separate highway cruiser...

I can resonate with this somewhat; when I learned there was Bluetooth in the car, I was immediately interested in Bluetooth for the car, but primarily for phone calls. Now it is a feature I rather not be without.

What creates great difficulty with these cars is imo not the quality of the speakers, but the amount of sound that the car generates itself simply by driving.. wind, tires, engine, etc.

Lend me some funds so I can get a second car :)

I do not want nor need a highway cruiser. I just want what the car has to actually work.

I could manage with the crappy sound from the HU if at least I could hear my phone. Never was an issue in the FRS I could hear as clear as a bell and it could get turned way up if needed. The 86 max volume is about what the FRS was on around 5. It is literally a whisper.
The radio sounds like it is played through a tin can since the woofers in the door are not boosted. My 58 Ford with it's tube set, AM only radio with one paper speaker in a steel dash sounded better!

My ‘16 FR-S sounds pretty good also. How do you know if the amp is connected? And they must have changed the BU camera on the 2016’s, mine displays on the head unit. Did Toyota go back to the mirror display in the newer 86?


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It is only the 2020s HU that disconnects the amp.
Yes the postage stamp display is now in the mirror.

That is so weird Toyota would disconnect the amp! It doesn’t make any sense. [emoji848] Subaru has it connected.
What do you think of the postage stamp display? [emoji28] I guess the idea was that you can keep your eyes on the rearview mirror, but if the display is too small it won’t help much.


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Subaru uses a different Hu.


https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...=139286&page=2


The mirror display is useless. It is too small to actually see anything but still manages to take up half the mirror so you can't use it properly either.

It sounds like maybe Toyota didn’t want to match what Subaru is doing with the HU. Just another quirk of the twins. Lol

Ugh, so it’s the worst of both worlds. A good BU camera is really helpful with the twins, even though rear visibility is decent.


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They have always used different HUs. For a while in the Scion days we even had different HUs in the Canadian FRS than in the US ones.

I would be totally pissed by this, and it would be my own fault because I doubt I would test the HU when buying the car. I definitely wouldn't have paired my phone to it and done a test call.

I guess I will moving forward!