well you have to use in the correct context. no one was talking about pre R&D. anyways, doesn't that prove my point about how its interpreted?

i was being fictitious, but thats how you act when anything not coming from a press release is shared. idk how many times we have to keep going down this same rabbit hole. i can admitted that not everything on the web is true, but to you its all fake news so idk what is left to say. :cheers:

Meh.
Yes but under that definition the guys you corrected was right as well.
You like to scour the internet and post whatever waste of print is even slightly relevant and I disagree with much of it and state my opinion. Am I just supposed to remain silent because I don't believe it? Yu only want to hear from the people that believe it all?
The track record of accuracy of may sources is so abysmal that it is a wonder that anybody still believes it much less spreads it. There are many of us that don't believe all the crap it isn't just me.

ok, either way the fake timeline says production will start in Spring of 2021. so everyone can STFU about that.

its a car forum. if all we could do is repost just a press release then there wouldn't be much to talk about. im not saying you can't express your opinion. i just think its funny when someone does find xyz to be creditable you automatically discredited it. its like only your opinion is correct.

do you have factual numbers about the 99.9% of the time the fakes news is wrong? that's cool, we get your point. its all fake news. we'll just have to agree to disagree. i dont want to further derail the thread. if you want to continue this discussion i'll happily do it via PM.

At my company, a "launch" date is when we start producing a new vintage of an assembly or product. During product development, there can be several launch dates, depending on the stage of the program, or what assembly/product you are referring to.

We use Start of Production (SOP) as the date where salable products begin assembly. Start of Dealer Sales (SODS) is when a customer can purchase the product. I am never involved with our media/marketing announcements/unveiling/launches, so I have no idea what we even call that.

Different companies and industries use different terms. I'm sure Subaru and Toyota have some preferred TLAs of their own for these product development milestones.

I think we can agree that there will be some kind of BRZ unveiling announcement this year, then salable cars will start production, and you can buy one sometime next year. Unless their plans change, because reasons.

Maybe, but I still think it might get the axe. Besides, they get the GR Yaris.

Has everyone signed up for updates?


Also, interesting that only Subaru has the next gen BRZ as a future vehicle on their website but Toyota does not do the same for the GR86.

Since I put my money where my mouth is I check the Toyota news feeds on a regular basis.
It is as if the 86 doesn't even exist. The last reference directly to the 86 was in 2016 when they announced the facelift.
https://global.toyota/en/mobility/to...925.1602085046


The whole idea that the new gen would be called a GR86 seems to be from the clickbaits deciding that since Toyota was coming out with a whole GR lineup the 86 would be one of them. It is strangely lacking in the release on that topic as well even back in 2017!
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/24156885.html
Could get a GR Prius in Japan though!
https://global.toyota/pages/news/ima...1300/001_2.jpg

Not to mention they say "FORGED" in big letters.

It is NOT using the damned TNGA platform nor a Toyota engine. It is the same old platform with a different engine and some body panel changes.
It is almost exclusively a Subaru product to built in a Subaru plant. Those old rumours are just silly and need not be perpetuated!

Honestly really makes me wonder if they even plan to continue it when the 4cyl A90 exists.

Sure it's not exactly equal in characteristics but it provides the power bump all the complainers have begged for all these years.

I don't think it's that farfetch. The new Zupra is technically referred as the "GR Zupra".

https://www.toyota.com/gr-supra/

That's definitely notable, though there was this article from 2019 which quoted Tada, for what it's worth:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/29991/...chief-engineer

Granted, not much is said, but it is a Toyota engineer making a reference.

Quotes in the drive don’t count. Context, editing and even deliberate falsification to sell clicks all come into play.

Over here Toyota bundle the current 86 under the “GR & Performance” part of the Toyota website. Guess they get it from that? :iono:

https://www.toyota.com.au/

Could be. It would be a logical name IF GR had any input into the design. Just a silly name if they are simply throwing it on there for marketing clout.

Hey we don’t know until it’s actually released in 2023

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Kidding aside, I hope they at least strongly considered using TNGA. The new WRX platform could be awesome also. I’m not sure how modular that is though.


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You all are crazy. Performance badging matters. It tells the customer that a team of driving experts and engineers made great efforts to maximize road handling, exciting, and driver involvment in their products at every stage of development. No way would a company dilute that just to sell a product at a higher price to uninformed people.

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...rd-Edge-ST.jpg

/s

The only TNGA RWD cars they have are the Lexus LS, Lexus LC, Toyota Crown and upcoming Toyota Mirai. Those are all big and heavy as shit luxury cars.

There would have to be a business case for a small RWD TNGA platform variant, and one car would not likely be enough to justify it, especially as this is mostly a niche market with low sales. plus it'd have to be a ground up redesign to get it TNGA which the next gen 86 is not.

MAYBE if they happened to make a next gen Supra, the third brother MR2 or SFR or something, and a new 86 all come out within a year or 2 of each other they MIGHT be able to justify a having that smaller RWD TNGA variant.
hell throw in a RWD small TNGA van for more small RWD cars and i think they could do it lol.

https://media.tenor.com/images/5da7d...4b0a/tenor.gif
Sure they considered using the Toyota platform. Then they all had a good laugh and sent it all over to Subaru. If they were going to make an all Toyota car they would have done it back in 2009 not change now. It sure as hell would not be made in a Subaru plant though.


Not sure how modular the Subaru global platform is?


By 2024 ALL of their lineup will be built on it. That means it will range from sub compact cars like the Pleo right up to the Ascent and everything in between. They are already over half way to converting them all over to it. They have very clearly and publicly stated this.


The biggest confusion seems to come from the use of the word "platform". People picture this as a prebuilt structure such as... well... a platform. It isn't. Toyota uses a much better and less confusing term when they call it a "Global Architecture". The "platform" that Subaru refers to is not a physical structure that they adapt for each car it is a common design concept to components that they apply to all their chassis. Think of it more like a set of Lego with common pieces that can be assembled in many different forms than a standard prebuilt structure that they alter to make work for each vehicle. The new WRX will share a platform with the Pleo and the Ascent but it will be a very different chassis than them.


https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...lobal-platform


I have no idea if they have changed over to the new SUBARU platform for the 2nd gen Twins but would be very surprised if they didn't. It makes little business sense to spend a billion dollars (yes that is an official number) to develop a global architecture just to leave one model out of the program.
But a lot of what the industry doesn't seem to make sense since we are not privy to the data that drives their plans.

Depends on how long they plan to make the 2nd gen twins. If they plan on keeping it for another 7+ years, then yeah, I can see them adapting it to the new Subi platform/architecture. If, however, they have a shorter life cycle in mind, maybe 5 years or so, I could see them sticking with the 1st gen platform if it was still feasible. It would all come down to the numbers and what presented the lowest risk and best return on investment.

Exactly! Although I would guess at a shorter planned run if they kept it the same as now. Maybe 3 years. Anything much more than that then the reduced manufacturing complexity would more than pay for the platform change. It cost way more money to manufacture the variations in vehicles than many people would think.

Yeah, one has GRMN written somewhere on the wheel and costs 2x as much as the other one! :lol:

The upcoming Lexus IS is heavily refreshed, and not a complete redesign. Its still on its current "Toyota New N" architecture and not on TNGA
(maybe they've "moved" it to the Frankenstein platform the RC uses..which would still be Toyota New N....) Since the car is rumored to die or go full electric in around 2024 Toyota probably didnt want to invest the dollars if they didnt think the car will make it past 2024.

So it wouldnt be unbelievable to think the next gen twins still use some form of its modified impreza platform and not the new subaru global one if the car is getting a heavy refresh as opposed to a ground up redesign.

I like that they have a "sign up for updates" button.
It's as if they don't realize this forum has better news sources than they do :sigh:

Well that depends on what you class as "news"!

It's the v2 Subaru Global Platform...an improved (from current) platform ;)

The current platform is not a "heavily modified" Impreza platform. It is a whole different platform "based on" the old Impreza one. I know that seems like a minor point but "modified" and "based on" are actually two different things.
Modified implies they just took the platform and chopped it up a bit. Based on means they took some design cues and used them in the final product.


Toyota had a longer term plan for changing over to the TNGA platform than Subaru right from the start. Subaru's plan to have everything there by 2024 is actually pretty aggressive.
The hybrid/electric adaptability are the main reason that both companies are going to a single platform system. Both are easily adaptable for alternative power systems right from the start where many of the old ones are simply not suitable. It is this adaptability that made it laughable when the rumour started that the Twins would go to the TNGA platform because the Subaru one "can not be adapted to RWD"! Whoever started that piece of fiction obviously has no concept of how a universal platform works.

Perfect!

Even the fake news and retarded youtuber thought the wheels were the same. :lol:

https://www.motor1.com/news/447232/2...ru-brz-teaser/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS9BbLhq1mo

Hey beats Prius tires right?

Hey, if I had the face and comfort level to do vlogging on complete bullshit that is guaranteed to draw thousands of views with ad impressions to make money, I'd be doing it too. :drool:

The wheels look the same to me, what is the difference?

The Yaris, I believe runs Enkei? These look the same..

Yeap, even with my glasses on they look the same.

Old and confused....

The wheels remind me the factory 16" Enkei, but this time in a 18" version and with different spokes. Too bad the brakes remain the same. I usually expect bigger brakes with bigger wheels.

would be nice if the calipers come coloured like most sports cars.

Definitely needs a BBK, isn't that the whole reason for larger rims.

To me it looks POV to have big wheels with little brakes, I swapped out 19's for 17's on my current ride for 2 reasons, 1 is they are stupid and comprimise ride quality, and the other is they look stupid without brakes to suit.

Did I mention I was an opinionated arsehole??????

I prefer to think of them as Lexus and Mercedes tires since they use them as well.

It is as always with people mentioning about the Prius tires. See the glass half empty instead of half full.

Yep. The stock Primacy are a high grade premium tire. Just because they happen to be used on one top trim Prius people seem to think they are junk.
The funny part is that if the car came with PS4S tires most people would still change them out for "better" ones. It is human nature to want to "improve" things that are not broken.

I was thinking of doing a cooking/baking channel on youtube, but my kitchen looks like grandma's from the 70s. :/

Meh. If they are brembos then sure.

The base/standard brakes are ugly. I would at least appreciate a more durable coating though. They look like rusty piles of shit after a couple of winters.