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I like the exterior, but I'd have to see both gens side by side to Ultimately decide which I like better.

Interior infotainment and climate controls looks pure Subaru parts bin stuff.
Not sure how I feel about that, I wonder what the Toyota infotainment will look like.

This keeping up with 5 threads is going to get exhausting!

From the side the front of the car and the rear of the car look like they were designed by different people.

Do not like the running boards at all. I would have them destroyed in no time.

After all my whining about fake vents I am not impressed by the size and shape of the real vents on the front. Be great for track and totally suck for the daily driving I do for much of the year. And they are as ugly as sin.

Generic tail lights like every other Subaru (and most other cars) YAWN.

Trunk lid lip is nice.

They finally got rid of that damned dirt collecting flat shelf on the rear bumper. Two thumbs up there.

The rest of it is … well …. meh same old same old.

Now we wait for specs.

Wow, this is... different to what I expected. Not gonna lie, initial reaction is it looks awkward. I'm getting a big Lexus RC350 vibe for some reason in the overall shape and curves.

It could be worse... I had feared they would stick the infotainment screen on top of the dash like an afterthought. But this is properly situated below the air vents, which I think will age better.

To be frank, the gen 1 is a better looker. Sleeker, cleaner, sharper. This one looks softer, rounder, less focused. Maybe it will grow on me, especially in other colours and with a bit of lowering.

Now, about that engine... ;)

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3384252)

This keeping up with 5 threads is going to get exhausting!.

Yea, ain't got time for that! Summary for me...

New car design = boring.

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3384268)

Yea, ain't got time for that! Summary for me...

New car design = boring.

Wait for the 4 new threads on the subject to pop up!

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3384252)

From the side the front of the car and the rear of the car look like they were designed by different people.

This for me has been the problem since these cars first hit the market. I honestly assumed they would remedy this but it appears that this 2nd generation was a cost cutting exercise which is understandable. What is sad is that fixing the lines of this car would not have cost much imo.

In 2030 the UK outlaws the sale of new petrol engines cars. For this car to capture my heart - it had to look a lot better than this.

If that’s it, got to say disappointed!

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Originally Posted by Palm Avenue (Post 3384278)

This for me has been the problem since these cars first hit the market. I honestly assumed they would remedy this but it appears that this 2nd generation was a cost cutting exercise which is understandable. What is sad is that fixing the lines of this car would not have cost much imo.

In 20130 the UK outlaws the sale of new petrol engines cars. For this car to capture my heart - it had to look a lot better than this.

The FRS/pre facelift 86/BRZ lines flowed from the splitter at the bottom of the front bumper up through the hood and all the way to the rear in an unbroken line. The 17+ 86 messed with those lines in the bumper but they still flowed from the hood back.
This has no flow at all with lines taking off in any direction. More industrial less organic looking.

I don't like it. It looks fat and swollen.

Now, if the reason for that is to fit an intercooler under the unnecessarily tall hood, okay I will forgive them. But if not? Come on, which intern designed this crap?

Just remember, Subaru has NEVER been known for their looks or forward designs. Wait until the car is driven.

The gen 1 cars should hold value if the prevalent opinions here carry through to the public once everything is revealed.

I for one am not in a position to remove all my bolt-ons as the cost to build another car with similar performance and personalization is now prohibitive. On the other hand I am looking really forward to hearing more. Also, as I am just buying my 2018 STI off lease, most likely a trade for a 2022 STI will be in the sightlines. (the 400 HP clickbait lie. LOL)

Not a fan of the front and rear changes. The rear has a lot going on and tail lights remind me of the new civic. The side view still looks good, just need more low and bigger wheels. First gen looks cleaner and sexier imo.

Personally, i like the new interior changes but they did crew up the new dash. Subaru had the chance to make a digital dash like the new 400z! .

Wanted to like this car dang!! maybe it’ll grow on me in person

WHAT A DUMPSTER FIRE. Subaru website down for maintenance?

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 3384302)

WHAT A DUMPSTER FIRE. Subaru website down for maintenance?

What did you expect? It's 2020.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FQerjHPcaL0

2.4 NA D4S, 228hp 184ftlb

Nominal torque curve at 2:18 btw

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Originally Posted by Jfheisenberg (Post 3384298)

The 2022 civic.... looks like a jetta.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c5de50d6_b.jpg

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Originally Posted by Opie (Post 3383917)

We'll see how close I am:

Company Built By: Subaru [CONFIRMED]
Plant Produced In: Subaru – Gunma Prefecture, Japan [CONFIRMED]
Platform: Subaru Global Platform v2 with revised Sub frame assemblies for a lower center of gravity & 40% Stiffer than v1 [SUSPECTED]
Power plant possibility #1: FA24 - 2.4L boxer 4-cylinder - Normally Aspirated (86/BRZ specific, not used in any other model) Power: 215 – 225 HP, 170-200ft/lb. torque [SUSPECTED]

Weight: Under 2,881lbs [SUSPECTED]
Suspension changes: 5x114.3 lug pattern, larger STI style wheel bearings [SUSPECTED]
Aluminum knuckles [SUSPECTED]
Models/Trims/Pricing (MSRP): [SUSPECTED]
Subaru: BRZ Limited – MT or AT w/Eyesight - $29,915 (MT) / $31,715 (AT)
Performance Package adds $2,975 - $32,890 (MT) / $34,690 (AT)
TS – MT Only (Released 1 year after) - $35,245

Toyota: 86 – MT or AT - $28,975 (MT) / $29,715 (AT)
TRD Package adds $2,975 - $31,950 (MT) / $32,690 (AT)
GR86 – MT Only (Released 1 year after) - $34,845

Official Announcement Date: November 18, 2020 [CONFIRMED]
Projected Release Date: Spring 2021 [SUSPECTED]

Originally created on: 02/17/2020
Updates: 11/17/2020

2022 Subaru BRZ

BRZ Limited 6MT
PRICE STARTING AT: $29,923

Vehicle
EPA Classification: Subcompact Cars

Drivetrain: Rear Wheel Drive
Engine Type and Required Fuel: Premium Unleaded H-4
Displacement (liters/cubic inches): 2.4 L/146
Fuel System: Gasoline Direct Injection
Maximum Horsepower @ RPM: 221 @ 6000
Maximum Torque @ RPM: 193 @ 4400
Number of Transmission Speeds: 6
First Gear Ratio (:1): 3.63
Second Gear Ratio (:1): 2.19
Third Gear Ratio (:1): 1.54
Fourth Gear Ratio (:1): 1.21
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1): 1.00
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.77
Reverse Ratio (:1): 3.44
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1) : 4.30

Fuel Economy and Range
CO2 Emissions, 15K mi/year (tons): 6.5
Range, city/highway (miles): 283.10 / 371.80
EPA Fuel Economy, combined/city/highway (mpg): 28 / 30 / 37
Fuel Capacity / Gas Tank Size: 13.8

Exterior Dimensions
Wheelbase (inches): 101.7
Length (inches): 164.3
Width, without mirrors (inches): 70.1
Height (inches): 52.4
Front Track Width (inches): 60.1
Rear Track Width (inches): 60.8
Minimum Ground Clearance (inches): 4.9

Interior Dimensions
Passenger / Seating Capacity: 4
Total Passenger Volume (cubic feet): 77.2
Front Head Room (inches): 37.2
Front Leg Room (inches): 42.0
Front Shoulder Room (inches): 54.8
Front Hip Room (inches): 53.4
Second Row Head Room (inches): 35.3
Second Row Leg Room (inches): 30.2
Second Row Shoulder Room (inches): 51.8
Second Row Hip Room (inches): 46.2

Cargo Area Dimensions
Trunk Space (cubic feet): 6.6

Steering: Rack-Pinion (Electric)

Suspension
Front Suspension Type: Strut
Rear Suspension Type: Double Wishbone

Brakes
Brake Type: 4-Wheel Disc
Anti-Lock-Braking System: 4-Wheel
Front Brake Rotors, diameter x thickness (inches): 11.6
Rear Brake Rotors, diameter x thickness (inches): 11.4

Wheels and Tires
Front Wheel Size (inches): 17 X 7.5
Front Wheel Material: Aluminum
Front Tire Size: P225/45YR17
Rear Wheel Size (inches): 17 X 7.5
Rear Wheel Material: Aluminum
Rear Tire Size: P225/45YR17
Spare Wheel Size (inches): Compact
Spare Wheel Material: Steel
Spare Tire Size: Compact
Wheel Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm

Base Curb Weight (pounds): 2881

Electrical
Cold Cranking Amps @ 0° F: 470
Maximum Alternator Capacity (amps): 190

Close but no cigar.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143209

Not a fan of the styling and agree with others that the front and rear don’t mesh together well. Side view is fine but I think they are trying to improve on near perfection with the first gen’s clean lines. If it was just the bumper I had a problem with I’d be more optimistic that Toyota’s twist might be promising but that rear-end is a deal breaker. I’m sure these cars will grow on me a bit with time but I’m definitely holding onto mine.

Are we getting 3 shpritsers?
https://i.imgur.com/kfA1BgK.png

See, this is what happen when you let Subaru engineer it lol jk

Also if you guys wanna know Toyota design, gotta wait til next yr... TAS to be correct. Have I seen it? No, not the final version. Which look the worse? idk.