Just wondering if was a mirrored teaser or a new one...

Here in italy we foresaw it long ago... too few numbers of selling unit in those 10 years to have the gen2 86 platform, and above taxes and regulation, sportcars segment in italy it's only for "elite" people and 400+hp cars...

Europe doesn't get a new BRZ and North America doesn't get the new GR Yaris. There's something very wrong here :(

And Australia gets everything. Another reason to move to Australia.

Btw, in New Zealand we are not getting BRZ too but getting GR Yaris and still have current GT86. Yeah, I still love New Zealand :D

Yeah for such a small market Aus & NZ have a pretty huge variety of cars available.

Isn't launch the meal had in the middle of the day?


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Let's not forget service stations that sell E85 that is guaranteed to be 85% ethanol and 107 octane all the time, and also bake their own pies in store!

Australia does get a wide selection of vehicles but we also pay through the nose for some. Japanese and Korean cars are decent value here, but Euro and American cars are often much more expensive here than their home markets.

It’s crazy to me how cheap some Audis, BMWs and Porsches are in the UK for example compared to here, or how cheap Mustangs and Camaros are in the US.

I just hope they keep the price of the mkII really competitive, like the mkI was.

Silly question, but for all the availability of a good variety of fun cars (mostly feasible when from Asia as stated above) does the quality of roads and enforcement of motoring laws make it possible to use them?

Answer as best as you can from your own experience of course.

Side note: The Hyundai i20 N, which is my alternative to the next gen Twin, is also available in Australia much like the Fiesta ST. Both aren't available here in South Africa.

Yes and yes. There is also autocross and track days.

Not silly at all. This is actually one of the biggest appeals of the Twins for me - their ability to provide tons of fun on public roads and safe (and usually legal) speeds. This is in contrast to more powerful cars that are aimed more at outright performance and capabilities, but aren't as fun (if at all) at low speeds.

Couple of pics I screen grabbed from the updated video on Subarus website released today :)

It's almost like there is another thread in this section already talking about this.

My apologies, I’ll look closer next time. :thumbsup:

its a updated vid with more cock teases of different sections of the car.

True. I have to say that the early renders have proven to be pretty spot on at this point.

I’m actually curious now of the rear diffuser, could catch a glimpse of the side of it in the new video, but can’t tell much.

One week :thumbup:

*If I don’t like the new car however for some odd reason I’ll have no issues grabbing a 2020 as I definitely love the current cars!

Tbh, you're going to get a lot of hate getting the new car regardless of the reason, the purists will be purists. I think it will be a more compliant car than what currently exists, more boring if you will, more Mustang-y.

IMO, the biggest things you're going to have to worry about are added tech(don't be surprised if you see "Eyesight®"), and dated powerplants.. just look at their track record.

yup, the ones from bestcar gave us a pretty idea of what to expect.

Oh goody! A big fake plastic vent behind the wheel arch to go with our fake diffusers. Now we can fit in with the Type R Civics and their stupid fake mesh on the rear bumper, and the Kia Stingers with their fake bonnet vents.

Huh, read through all the threads... we have all already ascertained they are indeed functional...look at the wheel well from the mules, there are clear openings on both sides for fender vents and front bumper vents..

Differences in the distance of water they have to ship them across!

This is so true. My friend from Brazil told me that my 07 STI was selling for insane prices there when I first bought it new.

Noticed he was from Australia, I’ve had an 05 GTO, an 09 Pontiac G8, and the Camaro SS/RS which I just sold which all had “Holden” dna :) (multiple corvettes, Camaros, imports in between)

Even in America now Camaro prices are insane to me honestly. This was one of my side cars I just sold to get either the upcoming brz/86 or a 2020 if I don’t like the new model.

My 2012 5th gen, was $31000 out the door new SS with RS package, LS3 426hp stock and a manual transmission.

The current 6th gen is mid $40’s for the SS 6spd.

Reason I sold it is I live in California now (not Detroit) and live in the mountain roads, hence the need for a lighter car which handles well, this car was 3860 pounds without driver. Fast in a straight line, but far too heavy! Only had 48k miles when I sold it.
I still have my STI, but want a light weight RWD platform.

This car had HP but HP isn’t everything, I have more fun in my friends Caymans, Mx5’s and BRZ/86 in the mountains compared to the Camaro. I prefer a lightweight RWD drivers car personally.

Inflation sucks :( No way you can get a car with 400+Hp and a 6 spd manual for $31k nowadays :thumbdown:

regarding the U.S. only story, it appears on Canada's site as well.

https://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebSiteID=282

https://www.subaru.ca/content/7907/M...106_051753.jpg

Correct, US, Canada are a go :) Japan as well, I believe it’s just Europe with an issue but I could be wrong, hopefully someone with more info can chime in.

there was a UK story where they said the new BRZ was a "U.S. only model" and after that all the fake news copied and pasted and it freaked non-Americans out. :bellyroll:

here is Japan's site, but im a having a hard time navigating through it.

https://www.subaru.jp/

I’m even more curious about Toyota’s upcoming model now....very hush hush on their front, but they are pushing the Supra hard currently so I kind of understand.

Hoping to hear more from Toyota after the Subaru version gets unveiled.

Still have my 07 STI, 69,000 miles thus far. :)

This awaiting the new BRZ reminds me of the new WRX/ (then STI later) that was launching after my 07. After driving the 08 hatch and multiple current STI’s they aren’t as “hardcore, raw, drivers car like my 07 is, the new cars feel heavy and numb in comparison. That’s my worry about the new brz/86.

If the car loses its drive ability in place of added weight to modern safety standards I’ll grab a current gen.

Again, I maybe one of the few hoping for a NA motor, with just fixing the torque dip, and a better refined chassis.
Ps. Under 3k pounds as well

I stand corrected! [emoji106]

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I fully agree. The wife's 2011 STi hatch was such a disappointment compared to my '06. She never liked the car and as soon as it was paid off she traded it in on 2016 STi sedan. The '16 is bigger and heavier then my '06 but, it's sooooo much closer in feel, ride and handling. She is very happy now. Me too hehe :D

i wish it would have looked a little cleaner like on the STI performance concept

https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...d-img_4139.jpg
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...8-img_4157.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/im...ncept-ny-1.jpg

I sure hope you guys go out and buy the GenII when it is released so there are some at insurance auctions for me and @Dave-ROR to buy come April.

a weird little chop someone made with the current car.

https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-imag...900/773987.jpg

Needs more smoke

Guys, when will the official specs be released officially?

18th

I'm one of the few along with you. And if this car starts eclipsing 3k pounds that's just unacceptable (to me).

Rumor has it there will be a base car with an NA 2.4 (coming in at under 220hp) and a higher end model with the turbo 2.4 that could see as high as 260. Nothing verifiable right now, or course, but the base and higher end model setup seems reasonable.

What I don't think they'll do is have the turbo car putting out that much power, because it'd be stepping on WRX and 4 cylinder Supra toes at that point. I think they'll tune it down somewhere under 240 so people still have a reason to spend more on the base Supra and the WRX. Good to know the potential is there, and probably easily freed up, but I really don't think they'd offer the car with power like that out of the box.

And if they only give people that sub-220 NA car and nothing else, while I won't be bothered by it, I think that may doom the car to not seeing another generation.

I have a feeling that we're probably in the silent majority that prefers a NA vs Turbo in this type of car. What we want is a driving experience not a dragster since if you want a pocket rocket, there's plenty of them out there but they lack the driving experience that the twins & MX-5 offer.



If the Gen2 twins weren't coming out at the time that coincides with my purchase plans, I would have been just as likely to purchase a Gen1 in it's current configuration as to what will be revealed on 11/18. I want a NA, RWD, fun to drive vehicle that won't break the bank.



As for not seeing another generation of the twins in the future, who knows what we'll be driving 7-8 years down the road after the regulatory agencies get through dictating what powers our vehicles.

I second this as well. I enjoy the relative "low" power output and lightweight layout and would be fine with sensible refinements to an already good formula. This car will likely be the last of its kind given the coming electrification standards, so I'm definitely going to be interested with what Subaru/Toyota have done with the car.

That said, I get the sense that that's unrealistic because of increasingly tricky emissions standards (that almost never apply to trucks/SUVs but sports cars bare the brunt of). 240hp on a NA with the car's current weight would be a dream but we'll see what they do.

So does this mean we'll get all the info tomorrow after they release it to the press, rather than wait until 11/18?

17th is the press event. 18th at 6am PST is for everyone else, so Wednesday.