Everything below "Originally created on: 02/17/2020
Updates: 11/17/2020" came from a little birdie today...this bird is usually about 75% accurate. ;)

Updated the lines above to reflect the "new" reporting

Ew, gross.

Ugh, 2880lbs is shit.


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Maximum Horsepower @ RPM: 221 @ 6000
Maximum Torque @ RPM: 193 @ 4400

???

Is that even possible in a relatively small NA engine? To get 221hp, I would think you need to rev to north of 7,000 and have a displacement of 3 liters or bigger to make that amount of torque.

The FB25 is making 182hp@5,800 and 176 lbft@4,400, for reference

Where are you getting these numbers?
must be leaking?

the Toyota dynamic force 2.5L makes 206hp @ 6600 RPM and 185lb/ft at 5000rpm so 193torque doesnt seem impossible to reach.

FB25 is a lazy grandpa engine.


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isnt that about 100lbs more than the current one?


besides most compacts are around 3000lbs now so they're all fatties lol.

The current FA20 is getting 205hp out of 2.0L, for 102 hp/L, so 221 out of a 2.4L is actually a step back in power density (92 hp/L). The current engine is 156 lb-ft, or 78 lb-ft/L, which would equate to 183 lb-ft in a 2.4L engine.

Curiously, 221 hp at 6,000 rpm means it is making 193 lb-ft of torque at that speed; the same peak number quoted at 4,400 rpm. That would be a very flat torque curve for a small NA engine, or means we have another torque dip.

The numbers don't seem outlandish, but they also seem unusual. I'd say it is more likely we have 221 hp at 7,000 rpm and 193 lb-ft at 6,000 rpm.

Not even. Curb weight of BRZ Limited is 2798 lbs, and tS is 2833 lbs. Before I complain about any weight increase, I want to know where it came from. Some of it might be easily un-done (bigger 18" wheels, bigger battery, etc), some of it might be welcomed (reinforced front bumper support, larger bearings, bracing, etc), some might be safety/required (airbags/crash structures), and some might be a complete waste (large molded side skirts).

It was suggested that the torque dip is still there, so it seems like they're trying to compensate for it with just plain old brute force.

The current FA20 makes what 156 lb/ft peak but in the dip it drops to around 115lb/ft.

so just throwing some basic maths out there, a 40ft/lb increase in torque could raise the dip level to around 150, so now the dip shouldnt feel so detrimental. I know it doesnt work that way, but a rise in the dip level will be an increase in power anyways so it wont feel so lethargic.

Great comment. This is precisely why I chose to buy a used 2005 S2000 in 2014 as opposed to a (then) FRS. I liked both for different reasons but realized since the 86 was still in production and the S2000 had ceased production, it was better to get the S2000 then wait until it's even rarer, older and harder to come by new. I ended up having to sell it a few years later (finally got the refreshed 86 in 2018).

Ended up being a good choice, albeit if I waited longer, I could have sold the S2000 for an even higher amount (broke even on it, didn't lose any money as the valuations started going up). I suspect the 86 will end up in a similar situation at some point with its value going up as cars like it cease to exist or evolve entirely.

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It drops like 15lbft, not 40.

https://dsportmag.com/wp-content/upl...-DynoGraph.jpg

My FR-S was 2750lbs. 120lbs weight gain is the wrong direction. I’d much rather they carved 150lbs out of the car than adding 15hp.


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I personally think Everyday Driver is awful.

I unsubscribed from them when they had videos driving their orange FRS and actually showed the tachometer and what gear they were in while saying it was slow. Like in one clip they said it was slow while in 5th gear going like mid-40s MPH well below like 3000 RPM (or somewhere in that range) on a straight section (I think it was also on a bit of an incline but could be wrong). Basically the most obvious, slow way to drive it.

So I had said something about that in the comments and then their producer responded to me and basically kept repeating that they did it that way on purpose to show how slow the car is.

I was just like, if you're going to own this car and then feed the "twins are slow argument" by driving it inaccurately on film, then you've lost all credibility.

And FWIW I really enjoyed their videos up until they did that.

The real bet isn't the specs. It the color of the inevitable 1st special edition (...and the 20 that follow.)