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Lantanafrs2 09-10-2023 06:36 AM

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a43143...ation-and-evs/

Irace86.2.0 09-10-2023 06:45 PM

Seems like everything he mentioned is either not an issue or as much of an issue, or it won’t be an issue in the future when it matters.

NoHaveMSG 09-11-2023 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3591936)
:iono: Sounds specific to their car. Bummer.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla...ging-networks/

I actually talked with my dad about this again. It is an issue with the little PCB board on the back side of the charger plug causing it to not recognize some chargers. Their car is a 19', I guess this was updated on the 21'+ and the boards are just now available to update older cars in 22', they are just hard to get. $58 from Tesla for the part, people are scalping them online for 200. Can't order it online, have to wait for one to be in stock.

Irace86.2.0 09-11-2023 02:27 PM

Lithium deposit found in US may be among world’s largest, study finds

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...st-study-finds

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A deposit of lithium recently discovered along the Nevada-Oregon border may be among the world’s largest, having potentially huge implications for the transition to electric vehicles.

The deposit exists in the McDermitt Caldera, a caldera approximately 28 miles long and 22 miles wide. It is believed that the caldera contains around 20 to 40 million metric tons of lithium – a figure that would dwarf deposits in Chile and Australia.

Belgian geologist Anouk Borst told Chemistry World that the findings "could change the dynamics of lithium globally, in terms of price, security of supply and geopolitics."

Globally, lithium output is on track to triple over the next decade, but demand for electric SUVs, sports cars, and sedans threatens to exceed supply. Each battery requires about 17 pounds of lithium, plus cobalt, nickel and other metals.
So that is 44 billion to 88 billion pounds of lithium, and at 17 pounds per vehicle (using the article's numbers) that would be 2.5-5 billion cars. We have a few other large deposits of lithium in the US that we know of, plus other less concentrated sources. There is a deposit in the state of Maine that is 11 million metric tons, or 24 billion pounds.

https://www.boston.com/news/environm...%20in%20length.


https://investingnews.com/media-libr...146&quality=80

Dadhawk 09-11-2023 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3592269)
So that is 44 billion to 88 billion pounds of lithium, and at 17 pounds per vehicle (using the article's numbers) that would be 2.5-5 billion cars.

That's all well and good until they find some weed that only grows on top of a pile of lithium and the company isn't able to mine it.

Irace86.2.0 09-12-2023 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3592281)
That's all well and good until they find some weed that only grows on top of a pile of lithium and the company isn't able to mine it.

That's America with everything. We have a lot of lawyers and a lot of bureaucracy in the land of the free. No one wants it in their backyard, including pipelines, fracking, etc. In the end, it'll be the economics and the lesser of two evils that will win out.

alex87f 09-12-2023 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2 (Post 3592156)

Gotta love the contradiction:

1. We could largely reduce CO2 emissions by replacing old cars with modern mild hybrids instead of EVs
2. On the other hand, we're actively pushing the sale of Jeeps and Rams across the globe. I doubt those emit less CO2 than a 20 years old Camry..

Oh and FCA "absorbs the 40% extra cost of EVs because they can't be passed on to the customer"? I didn't know they were a charity :D. And that basically implies they can take a strong hit to their margins and still turn a profit, i.e. ICE buyers are getting trounced :)

Dadhawk 09-12-2023 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by alex87f (Post 3592325)
G..ICE buyers are getting trounced :)

Not really. companies do this all the time. You sell a lot of one thing, and not as many of another, but you spread the cost of everything over the entire product line. It's not unique to automakers.

WolfpackS2k 09-12-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3592319)
That's America with everything. We have a lot of lawyers and a lot of bureaucracy in the land of the free. No one wants it in their backyard, including pipelines, fracking, etc. In the end, it'll be the economics and the lesser of two evils that will win out.

Except it's different, in that the people forcing EVs on the populace are also the same people that don't want materials for said EV's mined within the US. Wanna make EVs here? Great, then source the materials here as well. Don't make China the new Middle East.

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3592336)
Not really. companies do this all the time. You sell a lot of one thing, and not as many of another, but you spread the cost of everything over the entire product line. It's not unique to automakers.

It's somewhat unique when the government is forcing the huge shift, not capitalism.

alex87f 09-12-2023 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3592336)
Not really. companies do this all the time. You sell a lot of one thing, and not as many of another, but you spread the cost of everything over the entire product line. It's not unique to automakers.

Except we’re not talking about subsidising the sale of 200 unprofitable supercars with thousands of hatches.

They’re #3 on the EU BEV market, which in total represents about 2M cars per year. Taking a hit due to 40% higher costs on that market would be huge for them. Yet they’re posting record profitability at >14%.

Something in M. Tavares’s interview is therefore fishy or at least bleeding heart.

Dadhawk 09-12-2023 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 3592352)
It's somewhat unique when the government is forcing the huge shift, not capitalism.

Well, there is that. I have no level of support for the government being in this business, but I think that ship has sailed, we can't put the Genie back in the bottle at this point.

Lantanafrs2 09-12-2023 07:34 PM

Sell more ice to make up for ev losses. Great for the planet.

Lantanafrs2 09-12-2023 07:35 PM

Renounce any faith, get a daily covid booster, cut your **** off and buy an ev.

MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires 09-12-2023 08:25 PM

ah nice you're back to drinking and posting again


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