Used prices
 

I've been helping my brother in law search for a used 2017 BRZ Sport-Tech (both regular and RS/PP models), and I've got to say I'm surprised by how the prices for these cars have held up.

When I returned my lease in 2016 for my '13 BRZ, the residual was about $17k (I would've bought it out if not for a not-at-fault accident, and the resultant headaches that would've meant in a private sale).
I definitely wasn't expecting the 2017s to still command $20k+ prices, but that's exactly where the market is: the only cars I saw below that were either high mileage or had reported accidents, or were in terrible shape (i.e. buy-here-pay-here lot specials, with rust and missing trim pieces, or modded ones with questionable mod choices).

We ended up paying $22.5 for a clean and lowish-miles car from a Subaru dealer (didn't manage to negotiate anything - they'd done their homework and knew that these cars aren't staying unsold for long). We had agreed with one seller to buy one with 82k on the ODO (highway kms according to him) for $17k, but he reneged on the agreement and traded it in to a dealer instead.

I was hoping that with the 2017s starting to see lease returns, and post-COVID, we might see some deals, but 'twas not the case.

I'd imagine that the following factors might have come into play:
1) Most of the people who wanted this car got them by 2013, 2014, and probably didn't see the value of upgrading to 2017+ so there are just fewer 2017+ models out there
2) The sales momentum had dissipated for these later model years leading again to lower supply
3) Post-COVID19, fewer people want to take public transit, so more are opting for used cars (not specific to this car in particular, but this is what I've heard from friends who sell used cars)

In anycase, if anyone is planning on selling, it looks like the market for these is pretty strong!

As somebody who just bought a 17 PP in California last week, I'd say you're right on the money.

Canyon driving is a viable social distance activity and so many other things are off limits right now.

Nice! It's good to see demand for these cars is still there... Hopefully enough of us also buy/lease new to justify more sports cars

The car market in general is a little higher right now, Im seeing prices the same as a year ago, no depreciation.
The lowest point was april/may when dealers couldnt get people to come in. In fact I saw the exact same cars being relisted for a higher price once people started getting out again.

I'm selling my 2013 brz without an engine lol. Just throwing that out there!

Yeah i thought the prices would be a little bit lower than they are now.

Im debating whether i should try to jump on the bandwagon now or just wait till next year after a few things in my life sorts itself out (and covid).

I'd wait till next gen comes out because then first gen cars are probably gonna flood the market as people decide to upgrade which will push the value down.

Or the next gen doesn’t live up to the hype and the first shot up in value since you can’t get them anymore.

Or it is just about the same and nothing changes.

Waiting is a crap game when looking for a discontinued car.

ill probably be waiting.
Less to do with the next gen car, more to do with a bunch of other stuff is gonna take priority over getting a new car right now. Plus hopefully a dark blue GT manual shows up on the used market....something that really hasnt been seen here (My options right for a used 86...let alone a GT....is typically black, white, or grey.....)

LOL - unfortunately the BiL really wanted a 2017+ (I tried to float the early models + mods option)

I actually saw a lease-takeover deal that looked pretty good: 2019 BRZ Sport-tech RS (performance pack) for about $440/mo (25 payments remaining) and a buyback of just under $16k.
I worked that out to ~28k with taxes in for a 2019 BRZ RS, with the flexibility of turning in the car on lease return if the 2nd gen turns out awesome.

Sadly the guy flopped/ghosted.

I'd probably just keep scouring Kijiji/Autotrader/Leasebusters for this sort of deal (but make sure you calculate the total cost at the end, because there are some bad deals out there with 30-40 months remaining of $500 payments)

The only deals right now are for the 2013s, a lot are less than $10k, but we know the reason for that....

Canadian Used prices are similar to those in the US.
Statesiders should be up here with their +32% dollars cleaning us out.

I don't know how importing a car works, but if it's like any other bureaucratic government nonsense i've dealt with the car would have to be damn near free to deal with that headache.

Will be curious to see what my '14 fetches when I almost definitely put it on the market next spring.

FR-S Ultramarine, 108km, minor fender repair (repair looks 10/10). Otherwise in great shape.

which dealer is cheapest in gta?

From what I could tell, the pre-2017 models weren't able to hold value as much as the 2017+ models, but that could just be due to limited supply.

I remember seeing a lot in the 16-18k range

We ended up going to Brampton Subaru - they weren't necessarily the cheapest, but the car they had was in great condition and was priced reasonably.
I think I'd avoid going to the sketchy used car lots - I visited one because the Autotrader ad said "clean and good condition" but the price was below average so I figured it was too good to be true but worth a punt.
Went in, and the car had been sitting outside - there was a trim piece that had fallen off the 2017+ spoiler (it was in the cupholder) and the hood had weird residue in it. The bumper was all scratched up where it mounted to the fender, suggesting someone had removed it (clumsily) at one point.
Didn't even bother getting the dealer to open it up - just promptly walked away.

Having said that, even the Subaru dealers aren't free from hassles - I went to Scarboro Subaru to look at an Inazuma - not only was it lowered and modded (none of which was mentioned in the ad), but they wanted a $1,000 deposit to even test drive this "powerful, high performance machine"

I wonder what the real reason is? By 2014, early production issues were gone.

Surely the extra 5HP, non-defunct brand name, and (even-)higher cruise RPM aren't worth thousands of dollars...

I think less people bought them, so consequently the market is tighter (lower supply to begin with...).
Most of the people who wanted one, got one of the 2013s (sales numbers trended down as model years progressed, IIRC).
Not to mention, the 2013s had less refinements, and also a potentially-catastrophic engine issue (coupled with a potentially-catastrophic "fix" from Toyota dealers), making the 2017+ even more desirable.

I drove my brother in law's 2017 pretty extensively (street driving only) but I could tell it was more refined than my 2013. I guess word gets out that this is the one to get (new final drive, power bump, nicer interior, better head unit, Bluetooth mic no longer just taped into the headliner, etc)

Just my guess, because the gap between the 2017 and 2016 is also noticeable.

Having had a 14 and now a 20 I am very comfortable in saying that the cumulative changes between the two are noticeable and worth it.

The suspension feels far more sorted for street driving (the standard suspension at least - can't speak of the Sachs)
Everything just feels more polished (though the engine note is still very bleh)

Cheaper in Canada?
 

Purchased my 2016 FRS last year with 12,000 KM for $17K CDN.

I guess in US numbers that's 7500 Miles and $13K.....

Private sale....I wouldn't buy from a dealer if my life depended on it!

There are deals to be had.....just gotta be willing to dig, be patient, and POUNCE when you see the right one come up at the right price.

What will a 2013 BRZ, 12000kms, original owner, complete with JRSC bring price wise?

Late to the thread, aside from the suspension improvements, i found the 17+ cars to be more responsive because of the shorter final drive. The engine is also noticeably smoother with less engine vibrations.

On with used car values, i actually found that these cars have "appreciated" in the last 1.5 years. But i think that is the general case for all used cars.

Definitely: COVID19 has done weird things to used car values.
And the final drive change was definitely noticeable - agreed that the whole package just seems that much more refined.

Are you paid in US $? Unless you are it is still $17K. Applying exchange rates does not indicate value of the purchase only what it would have cost paying in a different currency. Does what you paid go up and down with the exchange rate?

I am paid in gum.

delete!

The real game changer is the reverse camera and gearing.

Picked up a 13 FRS with 135k for $12500, but the whole car has been repainted poorly due to a hail claim. Has some KW V3, Velox plates, headlights, intake tube and 17x9s.

KW V3s? Niiiiiice

Yeah should be a decent road course car, had one event in my Mini GP earlier this year and was totally frustrated with the oem Bilstein suspension so I’m selling it.