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aw11 08-18-2020 08:21 PM
RomRaider not showing all DTCs
 
I just installed the Delicious Flex Fuel Kit for OFT. Since this kit deletes the rear O2 sensor to grab power and ground I went into the tune from Openflash to disable the codes associated with that sensor. However, not all the DTCs are showing up in RomRaider.

I was able to turn off a couple codes (P0037, P0038, P0140) but many of them are not showing up. Today I got P013A while driving around, went in to RomRaider to see if I missed this one, but it wasn't even listed. I believe I have the correct definition file because I got the .bin and the .xml at the same time from Openflash. I opened the xml, scrolled down to the DTCs, and they were all listed. P013A, P0137, P0138, and more are all found in the definition file, but they aren't listed when I open the tune in RomRaider. I haven't checked any of the other tables to see if they're all there or not.

Any idea why I can't see these? Besides that the flex fuel kit and tune seem to be functioning great. Thanks for any help.

steve99 08-19-2020 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by aw11 (Post 3359643)
I just installed the Delicious Flex Fuel Kit for OFT. Since this kit deletes the rear O2 sensor to grab power and ground I went into the tune from Openflash to disable the codes associated with that sensor. However, not all the DTCs are showing up in RomRaider.

I was able to turn off a couple codes (P0037, P0038, P0140) but many of them are not showing up. Today I got P013A while driving around, went in to RomRaider to see if I missed this one, but it wasn't even listed. I believe I have the correct definition file because I got the .bin and the .xml at the same time from Openflash. I opened the xml, scrolled down to the DTCs, and they were all listed. P013A, P0137, P0138, and more are all found in the definition file, but they aren't listed when I open the tune in RomRaider. I haven't checked any of the other tables to see if they're all there or not.

Any idea why I can't see these? Besides that the flex fuel kit and tune seem to be functioning great. Thanks for any help.

Correct not as mant dtc are definied in romraider definitions as in ecutek


Two options are rewire kit so it get power and ground feom somewhere else and leave rear 02 connected. I assume its oft flex tune has the sensr wire connected to the ecu EVAP on pin 20 A35 ?? else its not going to owek oft tunes dont support rear 02 signal wire



I can find and disavle the codes in the oft tune but its a bit of miching arround so id need to charge a small fee

aw11 08-20-2020 09:01 AM
Thanks for the offer, but I'm going to try putting something together that will let me plug in the Delicious Box and the O2 sensor at the same time. I figure it's better to fix the root of the problem instead of hiding the symptoms.

Bach415 08-20-2020 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by aw11 (Post 3360160)
Thanks for the offer, but I'm going to try putting something together that will let me plug in the Delicious Box and the O2 sensor at the same time. I figure it's better to fix the root of the problem instead of hiding the symptoms.
If I recall, the OFT version of the Delicious Flex Fuel uses the EVAP sensor and not the O2 one. I think you got the wrong version. If you want both to work, you can try converting the kit so it runs off EVAP + power instead and keep the O2 sensor intact.

aw11 08-23-2020 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bach415 (Post 3360469)
If I recall, the OFT version of the Delicious Flex Fuel uses the EVAP sensor and not the O2 one. I think you got the wrong version. If you want both to work, you can try converting the kit so it runs off EVAP + power instead and keep the O2 sensor intact.
The kit I got has a wire running to the evap input and I've verified that my oft reads the same ethanol level as my Delicious app, so the kit works in some capacity for oft.

My kit still uses the O2 sensor for power and ground, it just doesn't send any ethanol info through the O2. Im going to get some connectors to make an interposer cable that I can plug both the O2 sensor and D-box into, then plug that into the receptacle on the car.

G_Rossney 02-04-2022 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by aw11 (Post 3361253)
The kit I got has a wire running to the evap input and I've verified that my oft reads the same ethanol level as my Delicious app, so the kit works in some capacity for oft.

My kit still uses the O2 sensor for power and ground, it just doesn't send any ethanol info through the O2. Im going to get some connectors to make an interposer cable that I can plug both the O2 sensor and D-box into, then plug that into the receptacle on the car.
I was wondering if your cable solved the issue and if you can share any info on the parts you bought.

I'm also having CEL issues with the Delicious Tuning OFT Flex Fuel kit. It's very annoying that the Tune doesn't address these CELs. I was also thinking that a pig tail type adapter would solve the issue, but not sure what and where to buy the proper parts.

aw11 02-04-2022 10:01 AM
I bought my parts from iWire Subaru Wiring Solutions (iwireusa.com)

I got 1 Rear O2 Sensor Receptacle (CN-RE04006) with the "Connector Kit" option and I got 2 Rear O2 Sensor Plugs (CN-PL04006) with the "Pigtail" option

I don't remember exactly how I wired it up but you can probably find that elsewhere on the forum. If not, let me know and I can go take some pictures

aw11 02-04-2022 10:08 AM
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Actually I had a picture of it already in my camera roll. I shoved 2 pigtail wires, 1 from each pigtail, into the connector side and crimped it/added some solder to hopefully give it some strength.

I also had to cut one of the wires because I was getting an extra signal where I didn't want it.

So far this hodgepodge creation has held up to a couple track days and a bunch of autocrosses so I feel comfortable with it

G_Rossney 02-04-2022 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by aw11 (Post 3502121)
Actually I had a picture of it already in my camera roll. I shoved 2 pigtail wires, 1 from each pigtail, into the connector side and crimped it/added some solder to hopefully give it some strength.

I also had to cut one of the wires because I was getting an extra signal where I didn't want it.

So far this hodgepodge creation has held up to a couple track days and a bunch of autocrosses so I feel comfortable with it
I think I found the connectors at Ballenger Motorsports (www.bmotorsports.com). These are the pre-pinned connects and it's just a matter of connecting the proper leads.

Part # Description
CONN-85836 4 Way Receptacle Pigtail for Subaru & Toyota Oxygen Sensor Cost $9.99 Qty 1

CONN-85835 4 Way Plug Pigtail for Subaru & Toyota Oxygen Sensor
Cost $9.99 Qty 2

$30 in total for parts. They do charge for shipping, so I'm about $40 in. I'll post a picture once I build my connector.


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