Found it. This was closer then people thought too, atleast imo

I'm pretty sure the rear bar will be functional as a brake and nighttime light, but who knows. I am also happy they moved the rear flying saucer third brake light to the rear deck lid. The Subaru/Toyota emblem appears to be below the light bar and above it is either a rear camera or the trunk key lock, which doesn't have a place to hide under a lip like on the Gen 1.


https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...9&d=1597333238

As you can see, they messed up the render by moving the Toyota badge and license plate up.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...1&d=1597520181

i moved that stuff. to me this looks better than what best car rendered/what the mule looks like so far

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...1&d=1597473517

Test car has Eyesight...

The FA20 is high revving, relative to most engines today. And for the most part it’s proven to be a reliable motor.
Sorry to hear about your car though. [emoji853]


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Oh thanks. I missed that.

here is the untouched bestcar render. personally i like the plates on the bumper vs trunk lid.

https://i.imgur.com/cJHVNJj.jpg

the mirrors look like they are the same ones used a cross Toyota's line up. :iono:

https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dim...041B021001.jpg
https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dim...021A021001.jpg
https://s.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dim...011A021001.jpg

First clear look at GR86 / BRZ prototype during testing
 

I don’t see blind spot monitoring/lane keeping hardware on the side mirrors. Good.

They're the same wheels (or at the very least the same wheel style) as the GR Yaris, which are forged 18". Width is unknown, but FWIW the GR Yaris comes with 225/40/18. Could be 18x7.5 or 18x8.

I could be entirely wrong, but I'd wager making it two shapes is easier to manufacturer. The top spoiler potion is complex and having the shape form into the lower, flat plane would require too much tooling and work, so having it be two pieces is a cost-saving measure.

Or it could be that they want you to think it is a hatchback. If you look at the Supra, the cut line is right around the same place.

https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cr...-63_800x0w.jpg

i know the mule has it taillights sticking out like the current gen but the signature of the taillights and the fact that they're "connected" remind me of NSX:

It seems that arched shape of trunk gets the design clues from Supra :(

It’s a good thing that it’s much more subtle. On the supra it’s just too much.

I would consider switching just because I think I'm ready to make the move to an auto at some point soon(ish). I hate that eyesight hooey though and would have to be able to disable it. If it loses the fender bumps that would also be a problem as being on the shorter side of things I've come to rely on them for front end placement.

Looks like it's on the driver side mirror to me, can't tell on the passenger. It has eyesight, this won't be left out. :iono:

they are still there, just not as pronounced. You can see them in the 4th and 5th photos :burnrubber:

anyone else notice a lot less wheel gap? and better wheel offset?

No hood vents or intercooler. Not looking like it has a turbo. Wonder why they are testing it against an EcoBoost Mustang then?

Styling and aesthetics are a purely personal thing. There's no right or wrong, whatever floats your boat is good.

Of course we won't know for sure what the next-gen car actually looks like (and what the engine is!!) until we see the real thing. Until then, it's all just photoshop speculation. But, the more I look at the renderings, the more I like the current design. To my eyes, the current car has a lot more character. It's more curvaceous (= sexier). The renderings of the next-gen car are fine, but to me doesn't have as much personality. It's nice, but seems a bit more watered-down, slightly generic Japanese sports coupe.

Even if the next-gen car comes with a turbo (which is somewhere between not gonna happen and extreme long shot), I don't know if I'd give up my current car for it.

Maybe they are testing the better torque curve of the larger displacement engine.

I like the curves of the Supra, I think they got it right. Especially when you see it in person. It has a really cool presence, and it looks aggressive. The fake vents have never bothered me either. The fact that it’s mostly a BMW does. LOL But in all fairness BMW has made some amazing cars in their time.
I’m still considering getting one, depending on what the 2nd gen twins offer. Different types of cars I know.


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It looks like it's using the same 18" GR Yaris wheels which might have something to do with filling the wheel gap. Agreed about the wheel offset though. I've been trying to find more info on these wheels, but other than being 18", forged, and using 225/40/18 tires, there's not much more info out there. I'm going to speculate they're at least 18x7.5 or 18x8.0 based on the tire width. The offset is probably low-ish considering the wide fenders found on the GR Yaris.

It would take more than a better torque curve to run with that mustang lol

Well it may be getting close cause they wouldn’t bother to benchmark against it if it wasn’t close.

On PS4s the 86 will murder the stang in the corners. The following is speculation but I bet with a 30 lbf*ft bump it gets reeeaaaal close.

How are people seeing a Hyundai..? Folks love to be design critics on the interwebz when they can't even dress themselves properly...it IS pretty much the same exact profile and hard points as the 86 only with smoother fenders, a sharper grill, more angular headlights/brake lights and slightly different lines. How do those changes turn the sleek and sharp looking twins into a fat Genesis Coupe or a frumpy FWD Tiburon? The new design looks very fresh and still very clean.

Don't think anyone mentioned this yet, but it appears the GR86 will now have a separate piece for the side skirt unlike the ones we have which are molded into the quarter panel. Pretty happy about this because I've always hated how the side skirts for the twins are merely stuck on the outside and make the lower half of the car look bulkier..

People get hung up on details in the design. The headlight shape is vaguely reminiscent of the late tiburon headlights, I can see that. But i agree that the proportions are 100% GT86.

Maybe it's the camo playing tricks on the eye, but it looks like the whole beltline moved up a bit. That would explain how it is now flush with the top of the fender.

The 4cyl stang weighs 3600ish lbs and is a low to mid 5 sec car. While I bet the stang is still faster the gap will have closed materially with the power increase give the almost 800lb weight difference. I would bet the new car is a mid to high 5 sec 0-60 now so keeping up on a track won’t be difficult.

Agreed. This platform often sees major customizations and wide body treatments that I don't really see the point in getting too hung up on the design either. It is entirely possible the gen 2 will subjectively be ugly, even with the proportions, but I doubt it. I might consider a gen 2 for a future car, but I am happy for now.

This is crude, but I tried to find an FRS picture close to the angle in the spy shot.

It's probably a little hard to see, but the green lines are the FRS and the red are the prototype. The spy shots are a bit more top down. But I lined up the wheels the best that I could and to me the window line looks the same. Everything looks the same, actually. Fender height, roof, rear of trunk, door handle placement.

If anything, the rear might be a little shorter while the front is longer. However, as mentioned, the perspective is slightly different.

http://ericmazzoni.com/wp-content/up...comparison.jpg

If someone else wants a go, here are the two images I used.

https://www.octanemotorsports.com/pu...EXD-112204.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/h59l84k.jpg

Those brakes don't look fundamentally that different from the ones on the current car.

Which lends credence to information suggesting the platform is staying NA.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136737

Sorry, but the last post reminded me of this thread.

Good for a laugh

I think the FRS image is slightly elongated in the combined picture. The development car is turning left, which pushes the front right wheel center forward a bit due to it being offset from the strut.

The door line left of the door handle is different.It looks like it is Supra inspired.

It's definitely the camo since on the GR, it covers the lower window trim. As an aside, does anyone know what is the purpose of the white squares on the front and rear quarters?
https://i.imgur.com/h59l84k.jpg

Eyesight will only be on the AT versions...and likely only on the Subaru AT versions...

Maybe the front end is longer to fit the old Subaru 3.6 in there ;)

The 3.6 motor is not available anymore.

First clear look at GR86 / BRZ prototype during testing
 

I’m not so sure about that. Subaru will have to figure out eyesight on manual cars at some point soon anyway, providing they intend to keep a manual option on the next STI. I would be extremely surprised if the STI goes auto only, or the BRZ for that matter.

VW has had emergency braking on the manual golf for an entire generation now, Subaru can figure this one out.

Active safety measures are so important for insurance groups right now, especially in Europe, that most manufacturers can’t afford to not put it in their future cars.