Looks like shit to me, like just another Toyota. The front end has the same slope as a Prius, making the ass look fat.

I can only hope they have uglied up the mule to throw people off. If this is really what they intend to bring to market, I anticipate a bump in the value of our used ones.

But I like a fat ass...

Fat or PHAT ?

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The whole bottom line of the windows looks different to me. I think the windows are narrower.

I agree, the belt line looks to have moved up.

Boosting a used car/car already out of warranty is one thing, but buying a brand new car to boost, and tearing up your factory warranty right away, is something only the very bold do. ;) Most of us buying new cars like to enjoy the benefits of paying new car prices, including reliability backed by a new car warranty.

Of course, tuning shops and race teams don’t mind, and will happily boost and mod a brand new car. Private buyers using their own hard earned money, especially if they aren’t wealthy (if they are, why not just buy a faster stock car like a Cayman or Corvette?), are generally more cautious with their mods.

I noticed that too. It partly explains the changed shape of the rear side windows, which have developed a shorter ‘Hoffmeister kink’ instead of the 1st gen’s teardrop, as a result perhaps of that higher belt line. Bit of a shame, the nice wide side windows and visibility were an advantage of the 1st gen, compared to things like the Camaro with its narrow windows and more limited visibility. The increase in metal/decrease in glass area probably improves strength and side impact resistance however.

I’m loving the hofmeister kink, as I’ve been lamenting BMW’s abandonment of their design language.

The belt line looks reasonable still, not like the camaro. The door to glass ratio reminds me of the MK1 Audi TT.

It ocurred to me that if the beltline wasn't raised a few inches and if the hood is actually lower at the base of the windshield, they might use pyrotechnic cylinders for the hood to clear the windshield, like in the new MX-5. I'm guessing it's a visual trick done with adjusted beltline and slightly adjusted hood cowling, though.
Wait 'till countries with large displacement tax discover they're getting the 2.0 boxer carried over. Maybe even Japan! (They'd get something better for JDM anyway, like the 2.0L STI high revving motor for Japan, vs bigger displacement for NA.
I'd be shocked if Eyesight was standard, unless maybe for automatic upgraded package only.
If the car is renewed, there will be renewed interest. If they change it too much they'll kill a winning formula at an amazing price point vs. anything remotely comparable.

Personally, I wouldn't get excited over another Z car. They've been fugly every generation after the 240. Plus, there might not even be a Nissan eventually.

I kind of thought so too but the more I look at it, it just looks like there's extra camo on the glass and trim to me.

Not now that eyesight is confirmed.

It's def standard, you can see it.

The mirror connection to the door is kind of the lower limit there. I think that's actually a bit higher too, but :iono:

I love all of the speculation! I'm most excited to see what parts are a direct swap/upgrade. Maybe a different ratio diff? Maybe the seats will be a direct swap? Maybe the heads will be a direct swap and you can do a hybrid build.

Speculation is one of the most enjoyable aspects of cars for me. Will be a shame when it releases and all my hopes are sunk. Here's to hoping it's not a 2wd Impreza

I wonder if a Coyote 5.0 would fit?

They go like stink and sound wicked.

Might be tight. The 'Yote is a big MF'er.

Jebus that is a big bitch

Cheers for the pic

Yeah, really shows why Chevy was like "DOHC ? LOL. Pass me the pushrods."

Interested in how much BMW styling will enter the interior

One thing I really love about the outgoing model is when you look in the side mirrors and see them hips. Now, they're no 911 hips, but it's just a very strong line both head on and from the profile.

If you draw a construction line on both, the new model seems to lose that and if you look at the renders from bestcar, they've actually broken up that surface and there is an additional line just below the c-pillar.

This is just my personal opinion, but I'm happy to see that they got rid of the butt ugly triangular form in the 4th brake light for a more trapezoidal element. I really don't have much to nitpick about my 2017 other than that crab/owl face that I always see when I look at the rear of the car.

Still excited to see the reveal though. I've been lurking here in the background for a few years and now I finally decide to join in on the fun when there's a new model on the horizon haha.

Nice to meet you all!

It's been interesting to see these leaked pics.. I realize a new generation of Twin is going to have to be different in some ways to attract more buyers, but so far i am liking the cosmetics of the old model better so far. The new one does look nice however.. Granted the final sheetmetal could still be up in the air, but i think i miss the more prominent wheel bulges the most. I think the newer more resembles an cross of a Twin and the S13 front end.


As for the FA24, i am suspecting the >7000 RPM redline is a thing of the past, if the true torque peak of FA24 is 5500 RPM, and it shows typical N/A torque behavior beyond that. I'm guessing a 6500 to 6700 RPM redline for the 220 HP number if torque rolls off to 170 lbft by that RPM..

The >7000 RPM redline should still be there and in theory could go higher. The FA24 is a wider bore of the FA20 and not stroke. Being an over-square design and having the new beehive valve springs that are smaller at the top, wider in the middle, and smaller on the bottom making them stronger, which helps handle more pressure and higher revs apparently.

A higher revving N/A motor would be pretty exciting but I guess we‘ll still have to wait and see.

Heh, it's just a guesstimation, but i suspect they shifted peak torque down in rev band, since people love to bitch so much about the dip in the previous motor. And 170/175 lb foot at higher RPM's would be more like 240/250 HP level..

I hope it's high revving, tbh, but will see in any event :)

Just because there's not one in the spy shots, doesn't mean there won't be one in production.
Whether it's up top or below, bet it will be a bigger screen and have all the connected app features

What if it is still FA20D with increased 8500 rpm redline and 230hp?

First clear look at GR86 / BRZ prototype during testing
 

Not with modern emissions standards. The head already doesn’t flow well past 7k anyway.

If it uses TNGA platform does that mean its manufactured by toyota plants?

It doesn’t.

They would have to do pretty extensive changes to support that RPM. Mostly lubrication.

I wouldn't trust a high revving Subaru motor. Mine lost a rocker leaving a stoplight

I lost a engine from ejecting a rocker too. It was in between a 3-4 shift at redline though.

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Between the swirls and the padding, the entire side profile looks like a shapless blob. We can't see any of the lines.

https://i.imgur.com/cJHVNJj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/V0rpnPG.png

Given the accuracy of the Bestcar render, it is safe to assume there are hips on both the front and rear wheels, but we can't see them. I'm not sure about that extra line on the rear fender. It might be an artist mistake.

Is it just me or is the rear wheel a larger diameter?

Yeah I don’t see that extra line on the test car either. I’m hoping the camo is messing with us (kind of its job lol) and preventing us from seeing the prominence of the hips. I would be sad too if the hips were drastically reduced.

i see some styling cues from the original FT86 concept.

triangle headlights
fender humps are gone
beltline, fender, and hood are all pretty flush
taillights cut deeper into the side of the 3/4 panel
sloppy rear butt/plate on rear bumper

https://i.imgur.com/DPtbL0P.jpg
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/mx...6-concept1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/h59l84k.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....cept-press.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NDFalmt.jpg
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/oo...6-concept1.jpg

I wonder if the line going across the back will be a carryover line from the tail lights or if it will be functional.

The hood still looks low, so it most likely is a flat engine. The curves of the front and rear fender aren't as pronounced, so that is bad. Overall, it isn't terrible.

the line that connects the taillights is weird

if it had something to run parallel with it like the license plate then id understand that.

but i feel like you're better off getting rid of it entirely

can make the third brakelight the emblem like on the vipers :)

just feel like it's an unnecessary accent piece american cars usually throw on there for no reason:

https://cars.usnews.com/static/image...ngularrear.jpg

i mean did you have to give the taillights angry chrome eyebrows?

I agree the mirror looks moved/a different shape. Window lines just don't seem that different to me :iono:

I definitely agree. There was a silver gen 2 render (diff from bestcar) that I remember looking pretty close too but I can't seem to find it. Seemed to match up pretty nicely with that sketch someone made in here.

The hips and curves certainly seem less pronounced.

These rear bars are popular right now. Here are two on a Civic and Lexus.

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxM..._id=880000500F

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