I see:
-tire upgrade
-fins under the rear diffuser
-reduced fender gap
-similar sized brakes (similar power+no weight increase?)
-no intercooler

I get the feeling that they are going for more of a grip set up this time around, not so much the slippy slidy characteristics of the original. Oh and no turbo :lol:. Sorry kids.

I find the fact that they are benchmarking an ecoboost interesting. Especially considering it appears the 86 is staying NA. I guess they're looking at it more holistically as an overall package? Makes me think they are really trying to attract more of the North American market.

Yeah, all this does is confirm that they didn't listen to the real fans and put translucent calipers. :paddle:

Lol. Did a little google search to find that on the other "gr86" forum, they have already all began to claim that it is officially a turbo charged vehicle as there is clearly an intercooler to be seen. The claims people make off of some spy shots are becoming more and more amusing to me.

I have had my bumper off enough times to say that is the AC condenser in front of the radiator.

You can't. That info is not released yet.

Mustang is lapping him for the third time.

Wheels look to be the 18" wheels off the GR Yaris. 5x100 goes on.

Turbo confirmed. Should have lapped him like 10 times.

It looked like the vents both in front of the wheel and behind were at least open to the wheel well based on the pictures in the OP.

hmm the fender vent looks like it was a cutout, the ones on the bumper actually look like they were starting to use that design.

Perhaps low key it did turn out to be a test mule for the second gen 86, since the only changes to the current car were the vent cutouts.......maybe just aerodynamics testing at this stage.

Now that we finally have better pics it looks like the fan art from bestcar was pretty accurate after all. Minus the protrude taillights on the 3/4 view and the mesh grille pattern.

https://i.imgur.com/z3uolEW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QY3mAit.png
https://i.imgur.com/NDFalmt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cJHVNJj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/h59l84k.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tqZY0rd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0x5Brf5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LuD2Iew.jpg

They even got the rear fender extensions right. The mule has that, maybe to fit a wider base tire?

I showed these prototype pics to a friend and because she's into car design and sketching, she did a quick pair of image traces to show off the lines of the car a little better. She graciously gave me permission to share them with you all. Thanks B!


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Functional vents on the front bumper and side fender based on the front wheel liner ducts.

Lower rocker panels are now a separate part and replaceable, that's nice.


A clean progression.

Thank you Subaru and Toyota!

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LOL if a $25k-$30k car has working vents while a "halo" $50k car that took 7yrs+ to developed has 8 tacked on fake vents. :lol: :thumbdown: :bellyroll:

Sigh. 2021 will be expensive. Fingers crossed a dealer offers at least $8K for my car and that they won't be marking them up. Something tells me that won't be the case. At least interest rates will still be low, which is a benefit.

this prototype could be a base model without the screen option. :iono:

This is good news, at least to me. It seems, I would buy it if I ever decide to replace my FR-S. I won't be one of those but there will be too much complaining if it is not turbo. There seems to be no intercooler behind the front grill but Subaru-style top intercooler is still possible.

Is that the Eye Sight system I see in the front windshield?

How intrusive is that system?

On the Zupra there were screws holding the body cladding onto the sheet metal. The spy shots from today look like the production body with camo wrap. I also don't believe the 1st 86 prototype used body cladding either.

https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/ima.../supra-4-1.jpg

Also to add, I thought Subaru said it could only be paired with an automatic?

I see openings on the wheel well. :thumbsup:

https://i.imgur.com/qCeMLo4.jpg

But you probably want to leave them, right? Would you basically be kicking shit all of your door panel, unless you wrap it with some high quality ceramic coating and don't care as much.

I was trying to say the vents are the fender are most likely functional since we have openings on the wheel well.

It’s not bad, and you can turn it off. You REALLY have to try hitting something to provoke it.


Plenty of other manufacturers have emergency braking on manuals (VW for example). Subaru just haven’t bothered to tweak the system for MT. I’m sure they can do it.

looks like a Hyundai Tiburon/Tuscani

Appreciate that info. If you turn it off, does it stay off when you restart the car?

My Fiance has a Honda HRV with a similar system, and some safety items will stay off when you go to restart the car (lane keep assist), but others come back on (brake assist).

I can’t remember, the lane assist stayed off for sure. I’m glad too, cause that shit was intrusive. It actually bumps the steering wheel away from the line. I left the emergency brake on cause it was very unintrusive.

This was on a 2019 base Impreza loaner.

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The project didn't get shelved. That's a good thing

Yep, definitely looking like it just has the current car's ac condenser behind the grille, no intercooler. However, keep in mind that sidemount intercoolers are a thing too, the Nissan S13,S14, and ER33 all used sidemounts, and it could explain the need for the functional side vents, so I wouldn't completely rule out forced induction quite yet.
That being said, if it is turbocharged, I'd love for it to be the 3-cylinder from the GR Yaris.
https://i.imgur.com/I8hdn9W.jpg

I'm guessing the tail lights will be a similar design to the GR Yaris'

https://www.motoringresearch.com/wp-...115_160636.jpg

First clear look at GR86 / BRZ prototype during testing
 

I would. Those intakes aren’t nearly big enough to feed a side mount, and they’re too outboard. They simply feed air into the wheel well, and the fender vent lets it out. It reduces profile drag by modifying the boundary layer flow.

Yes, those are definitely Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. And they appear to be 225/40/18, which will enhance the comfort/stability over bumps and give it more grip while still being agile. With the increase in torque from a presumably 2.4 liter engine, they could use a slightly taller and wider tire and still get it to slide a bit. I have the PS4S in stock size on my BRZ and can still get it to slide when I want but it has plenty of grip in the dry or wet so it's a very good fit for the car in my opinion.

It seems this car is very similar to the current models. However, it does look just a bit larger this time, possibly to compensate for a turbo model. However, there's no way this particular model has a turbo. There would be a cutout for the intercooler on the hood if it was top mounted or it would be more obvious in the front. But judging from the size of that opening, they may be considering a front mount intercooler in the future. They would also likely use bigger rear tires as a performance 2.4L turbo in a light car would be a beast, even with good tires (Porsche Cayman territory).

I hope they make a proper STI turbo model this time. I still have mixed feelings about turbos but I do kind of miss that mid range torque and noise that turbos make. But the 2.4L will likely address that torque dip and make the engine feel a little more inline with other performance cars.

Could have a top mount intercooler. Fed via scoop like the other FA24DIT vehicles (Ascent, Outback). Would require a taller hood...which some of you have pointed out looks like it got taller.
The hood would also have to be taller because the engine would need to sit a little higher than 1st gen, because of the low mount turbo.

My bet is still FA24 N/A with 240hp and 180 ft-lb.

My hope is for quality tires to tame the unenlightened YouTube reviewers.

I also noticed the wider tires.

I think the goal of the second generation is “a better handing car.”

Scoop not required for TMIC. See Outback XT, Ascent, and previous generation Forester XT

Those cars still have scoops but they're just integrated into the front air dam and run under the hood. On a car like this with a low hood, I would think it'd still need an opening unless they raise the air dam to ridiculously high levels.