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TommyW 07-31-2020 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 3353880)
Just in case anyone doesn't know what I mean,I was referring to most "sports" cars getting rid of the third pedal in favor of paddle shifters. Most of those cars come with auto rev matching,which is a sad thing that auto makers are making cars less "fun" and engaging to drive.
Driving is an art. You get into things like auto blip, nannies, etc and you end up with a paint by numbers mentality. There's nothing wrong with paddles if you're just out for lap times and have mastered H pattern and heel toe. It's like starting out on the track with a low hp car. You end up being a better driver in the long run when you have to master the fundamentals of why cars do what they do.

I will say though when you get into supercar territory then paddles and nannies are necessary to just keep the car on the track for most mortals. I remember when Walter Rohrl was finished testing the first 911 GT2 he said "You don't plan on selling these to the general public now do you?"

Purist 07-31-2020 10:04 PM
Eloquently stated, TommyW. I think it would be a shame to see the demise of the manual 'box, but only because I like to drive them. Can't argue with them being quick around a track.

Maybe in the future, gearbox types will be factored in to racing classes the way all wheel drive and capacity is.

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soundman98 07-31-2020 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TommyW (Post 3353695)
It's called heel\toe downshifting and is a necessary skill on the track.
i toe/toe, and i've never been on the track. i do it because it's FUN.

TommyW 08-01-2020 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3353957)
i toe/toe, and i've never been on the track. i do it because it's FUN.
I do it on the street also. Keeps me in practice

Th3rdSun 08-01-2020 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TommyW (Post 3353921)
Driving is an art. You get into things like auto blip, nannies, etc and you end up with a paint by numbers mentality. There's nothing wrong with paddles if you're just out for lap times and have mastered H pattern and heel toe. It's like starting out on the track with a low hp car. You end up being a better driver in the long run when you have to master the fundamentals of why cars do what they do.

I will say though when you get into supercar territory then paddles and nannies are necessary to just keep the car on the track for most mortals. I remember when Walter Rohrl was finished testing the first 911 GT2 he said "You don't plan on selling these to the general public now do you?"

I saw Matt Farrah on Joe Rogan and he said something that made more sense than anything that I had previously heard,regarding dual clutch. He said that after a car has around 500 hp,then it becomes legit dangerous to take a hand off the wheel,and becomes pretty scary.

NARFALICIOUS 08-02-2020 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 3353854)
My car has the EcuTek tune, when downshifting from high revs it auto-blips.
wut.

I'm the worst downshifter, maybe I need to run this tune.

JD001 08-02-2020 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS (Post 3354269)
wut.

I'm the worst downshifter, maybe I need to run this tune.
Heal and toe or auto blipping really comes into play when decelerating from high speed, and you are planning to select a gear (match engine speed to the lower gear) to drive through a bend. If you're slowing to a stop then no point going through the gears as the brakes are enough.

frostyfrs 08-04-2020 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3353697)
Oh, that remark was directed to the OP, who is 18 and has only had his FR-S for about a week. What I meant by "customary" was the normal procedures followed by average drivers under normal driving conditions.

;)
I've been daily driving a stick since I was 16 years old, I've always heel toe shifted

humfrz 08-04-2020 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by frostyfrs (Post 3354764)
I've been daily driving a stick since I was 16 years old, I've always heel toe shifted
One never knows what experience the reader has had. - ;)

I didn't mean to talk down to you.

Well, you see, I've been driving stick since I was 5 years old (over 72 years now) and I have NEVER heel toe shifted - :iono:

FRSBRZGT86FAN 08-04-2020 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by frostyfrs (Post 3354764)
I've been daily driving a stick since I was 16 years old, I've always heel toe shifted
Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3354767)
One never knows what experience the reader has had. - ;)

I didn't mean to talk down to you.

Well, you see, I've been driving stick since I was 5 years old (over 72 years now) and I have NEVER heel toe shifted - :iono:

So much experience for a 16-18 year old that he couldn't use the search function to learn that the car has a ecutek racerom:bonk:


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