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gt7877 12-24-2019 03:36 AM
Base map for turbo setup
 
Dear

Is there any Base map for turbo automatic FRS 2015?


Knock off greddy turbo kit

10psi waste gate

4bar map sensor


I have found SBD base map for manual transmission only

Also do I have to replace PVC valve ?



Thnx

DarkPira7e 12-24-2019 01:02 PM
If you have an Openflash tablet, Shiv@openflash can help pretty quickly.
Generally though, I wouldn't get a base map with a turbo, I would go straight to a tuner and get it done all at once if you can.

DarkPira7e 12-24-2019 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by solidsnake11 (Post 3285640)
Just think how many tuners, subaru must have to tune every wrx that leaves the plant.
That's be a great argument if every turbo people put on their NA BRZ/FRS/gt86 was the same, with the same intake, same injector, same engine configuration, same goal, same MAP sensor, same boost control method, same intercooler, same tuning platform, etc.

A car with thousands of hours invested in a engineering and trialing a specific setup is far different than us adding forced induction to our cars

tomm.brz 12-24-2019 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by solidsnake11 (Post 3285642)
I didn't know every car had a different stage 1 kit from the same manufacturer.

He did ask for a base map, my understanding of base map is a tune to start from.
i think a person should have a bit of a competence to be able to understand the base tune he is working onto

about the OP, for what i read also from his other posts.. maybe it s better really to go to a tuner
maybe i m wrong and it s just a bad predujice from me

he won t find a base turbo map for automatic with 4bar map
and he already has a base turbo map for manual (and not 3bar map) in his hand, he just has to modify an automatic tune of his personal car
or like Darkpira7e said... go to a tuner

DarkPira7e 12-25-2019 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by solidsnake11 (Post 3285642)
I didn't know every car had a different stage 1 kit from the same manufacturer.

He did ask for a base map, my understanding of base map is a tune to start from.
My argument here is that he said "Greddy knockoff". That could be an SBD turbo kit. It could be their 400x, it could be the 500x. It could be something different. If even just the turbo is a little different and spool comes in 300rpm sooner the load map, fueling, and timing would be a bit off and he'd be at a highest risk of knock. If he wants a base map to just be able to start the car and drive to the tuner, modifying the stock map with the new MAP compensation would suffice (so long as he stays far away from high load or boost conditions)

I'd rather prepare someone to be ready for their endeavor than have them underestimate the importance of their tune.
Not trying to be a jerk @solidsnake11 :) I like having different points of view, as long as the discussion benefits the forum in some way.. I enjoy our banter!

gt7877 12-25-2019 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3285733)
My argument here is that he said "Greddy knockoff". That could be an SBD turbo kit. It could be their 400x, it could be the 500x. It could be something different. If even just the turbo is a little different and spool comes in 300rpm sooner the load map, fueling, and timing would be a bit off and he'd be at a highest risk of knock. If he wants a base map to just be able to start the car and drive to the tuner, modifying the stock map with the new MAP compensation would suffice (so long as he stays far away from high load or boost conditions)

I'd rather prepare someone to be ready for their endeavor than have them underestimate the importance of their tune.
Not trying to be a jerk @solidsnake11 :) I like having different points of view, as long as the discussion benefits the forum in some way.. I enjoy our banter!
Thnx alot for your understanding me



The nearest ecuTek tuner from my location around 300mil



So with this setup it hard to drive with stock map



Base map means something to start from



Thnx to all of you

tomm.brz 12-25-2019 03:56 PM
remote e tune are as basically as good as dyno tune, and the first tune they send you acts as a base map

KnightRyderx2 12-27-2019 04:26 PM
Delicious Tuning has an off the self tune for all FI applications, manual or auto. Its safe and they have put a lot of hours into perfecting it. Its defiantly not going to be your final tune but it is a good starting point. You have to invest in EcuTec but seeing as the closest one to you is 300+ miles away that should be a good investment. After that you can continue with their e-tune service. In addition to that, if you have a dyno close to you then a tuner can do a live remote tune, like Facebook video or Skype. Call or email and see if its something Delicious Tuning can help you with.

Garvin29 02-26-2022 04:46 PM
Does anyone have a base map for a turbo, ecutek or open resource configuration (I can copy the tables to Ecutek)

brzlegend 02-27-2022 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Garvin29 (Post 3507398)
Does anyone have a base map for a turbo, ecutek or open resource configuration (I can copy the tables to Ecutek)
Change maf to sti or change the tube size where the maf is placed or both if you need alot of Gs, then scale maf.
Scale injectors, Scale to a 2 bar or larger map.


If your scales are correct then you can command your AFRs to 12.5 in boost or your preferred AFR.

Raise load limit

tomm.brz 02-27-2022 03:17 AM
Do not change maf housing pipe, as you have Speed density available on ecutek

do not target 12.5 afr while on boost, it s leanish almost even for NA
Target around 11.8 on full boost, also the original lambda scaling has to be rescaled, preferabily by something who Did the scaling with a widebabd afr sensor on hands

brzlegend 02-28-2022 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tomm.brz (Post 3507514)
Do not change maf housing pipe, as you have Speed density available on ecutek

do not target 12.5 afr while on boost, it s leanish almost even for NA
Target around 11.8 on full boost, also the original lambda scaling has to be rescaled, preferabily by something who Did the scaling with a widebabd afr sensor on hands
I thought we was doing an easy base tune with basic boost around 7 psi. If your going 14+ boost yes it wouldn't hurt to go richer, but the fa20 isnt going to live long anyway if abused.

Why does subura use a maf when speed density is better?

x808drifter 02-28-2022 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brzlegend (Post 3507728)
I thought we was doing an easy base tune with basic boost around 7 psi. If your going 14+ boost yes it wouldn't hurt to go richer, but the fa20 isnt going to live long anyway if abused.

Why does subura use a maf when speed density is better?
Because it's cheaper.

tomm.brz 02-28-2022 04:34 PM
Nobody really Said Speed density is better.
i just Said is not necessary to change maf when you have Speed density available, and it works good at high rpm with boost

Remove the maf and the car will drive anyway
Subaru has a speed density strayegy for emergency

You surely can t reach a smooth driving and pass emission using speed density, but it has advantages


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