(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...
 

First, I use to be pretty active on this form back when I owned the very first year FR-S (The best car I ever owned), but since I've had to move on to the SUV gang. Miss you all

However, I'm visiting a family member who's worked at Toyota Corporate/headquarters for 35 years. Not sure if this information has been talked about, but he has informed me on the following regarding the second generation FR-S/BRZ

-He has seen early renders and said they look incredible
- The engine will be borrowed the current Subaru Ascent (2.4L, 4-cyclinder)
- however will be bumped up to 280hp (vs 260hp in the base Ascent)
-The BRZ Version will be the only one that will have an optional turbocharger. Unknown if Toyota will offer later

I'll try and get more info out of my family member. But thoughts? Has this info already been discovered or discussed?

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:popcorn:

2nd gen better be good as the baby Yaris GR4 will kick its ass!!

Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...
 

All of the current rumors I’ve seen:

-Toyota version will have simplified front bumper lines compared to the “kouki” version. (SupraMKV)
-Car will get roughly a 10-20hp/tq boost (General rumor over the web)
*obviously the 2.4 liter from the Ascent was rumored to be in this car, whoops*

So no, barely anything you’ve discussed has ever been a part of the rumor mill..interesting.


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Until it hits dealerships, I won't believe that this car sees above 240 HP at the crank.

If true, $45k twin?


So much for light and cheap.

He was very adamant about these details and is fairly high up at Toyota. Not one to bullshit lol

But agree, don't believe it until you see it. However it has been known, Akio Toyoda himself has said "the next generation 86 will be better than the Supra". Just know you heard the details here first [emoji41]

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I would need at least a 40-50hp bump to consider getting another 86 so this sounds like great news.

If it turns out to be a 10-20hp bump for some reason, it’s almost pointless for a current owner to upgrade imo, unless their car is on its last leg.


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He must be the "insider" that all the clickbaits quote.
Every single one of those statements has been circulating the internet for three years now.
All rumour and zero supporting evidence.
Anybody that actually KNOWS isn't talking.
Link to an actual Toyota release (not some clickbait misquote) where Akio Toyoda said any such thing please.

This is not "news" just another person that knows a person that knows somebody that said that...

It already is.

unless the dude is working directly on the project, working for toyota means jack...the dude isn't even in japan where the actual development is gonna take place..

very easy to logically falsify those claims...
toyota & subaru would not make separate variants especially with only one brand getting a high powered variant...why add extra development costs only to limit sales..
toyota/subaru would not dare develop a twin with that much HP, it would easily trounce on the 2.0 turbo from the Supra..awkward position for both to be in
..the most logical path is the platform stays NA, more displacement and they utilize the same general chassis with a new body

I completely agree with you!

HKz, you are absolutely right. A turbo BRZ/86 would decimate Supra sakes, and make that car irrelevant. As much as we would love it, there’s no way Toyota will allow that. They are a totally financially driven company.

I'm very happy with the car as it is.

I do wonder what they could do to persuade me to buy one.

does toyota have an official 'rumor mill' department?

while he could be quite adamant about all of it, it makes almost no sense from definition of where it sits within either brands product lines, or how tada chose to define it from the beginning.

it's a mid-level, low production sports car. it is never, ever going to beat the supra in spec sheets. by doing so, it would become the halo car. subaru has the impreza as the halo car, and toyota has the supra. neither brand is going to be willing to undo the legacy of those names for a cheaper lower volume vehicle.

i don't believe a large enough market exists to sell a turbo and na version side by side. while the ascent motor has been rumored due to compliance simplicity, i highly doubt the power would increase over what the ascent has.

There are two things it'd have to come with -
A clutch type limited slip diff
A 2013 FRS basic ass interior and 2013 FRS gauge cluster

I have the basic interior and love it. I am going to do some interior "mods" but the simplicity is awesome.

why? i quite like not having to be tear down the diff to replace clutch packs.

there's no way to see them without draining the diff! worst design ever!

I don't like having to pull my ebrake in snow to have traction when it gets deep.
Why would you need to replace clutch packs? I had a 3:15 M3 diff in my autocross setup e36 that was 150,000 miles old and it never skipped a beat. The car had almost 300,000 on it before rust killed it.

i thought i read somewhere that clutch-style lsd's require service every 30k.

which means for the way i treat my vehicles, i'd have to service it every 15k.

Do It Yourself Upgrade today:


https://www.ebay.com/i/143014932701?...SABEgLq2fD_BwE

Here's your quote Tada in Motor1 as you requested to see.

Not sure why you're so upset. I'm simply informing this group of the information that was passed on to me that no one has heard of. It's coming straight from a Toyota Corporate employee with 35 years experience, who has direct communication with the team who's building the next gen 86. Take the information as you will. But come back and apologize when I'm right. Cheers

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ooh

Turbo twins...

Tell them the price son.....

Yeah nah

you guys better watch what you wish for

maybe a bigger engine, say an i6
gotta have an oe turbo
gonna weigh a little more, maybe 3,400lb
gonna have to cost more too, say $60k
maybe toyota would source the engine out to bmw

wait...

the 86 is subaru's creation, funded by toyota, apparently, so the next gen is prob a creation of subie too. in which case none of the above would happen, but you get the point. if you want a sports car with a bigger engine, and oe turbo, that car already exists, and youre not going to get it for $30k. so if you want $30k car, 2.0L boosted, that car exists too! boost the one in your driveway!

I see a clip from an Australian clickbait not an official press release.
I am not upset at all.
Your "insider" is just repeating what we have heard 1,000 times already it is not something no one has heard yet.
I will happily apologize if all of that turns out to be turn but strongly suspect I will not have to.

i don't think anyone is upset. i don't think this ranks higher than 'mildly perturbed'.


i've read a few times that the typical gestation period for any new car is 5 years. 7 might be a little long, but a look at toyota's general model lifespans, as well as subaru's, also considering that this car isn't the hot new high commodity thing, and i don't find it surprising in the least that we're going on 7 years without significant changes.

i really wouldn't be shocked if the new model didn't come out until 2023 or later, making the current platform 10 years old...

tada has said often during the original design that he wanted to keep NA for the balance, and the handling characteristics. he felt very strongly that adding any sort of turbo would upset the handling characteristics he was after-- he made it very clear that this vehicles character from the beginning would be about prioritizing handling over power. i find it very difficult to believe that he would back track on that now.

F-in LOL, again. Circular reporting.

If it comes out with anything remotely like this I’ll be upgrading. Thanks for sharing, interesting to see if it comes to light.

280hp (209kw) is slightly more than current WRX power.

You LOL now... Wait until Australia's #1 e-zine reprints this info and quotes ft86club.com as confirming it coming direct from Toyota top management.

Press release

FB16 DIT

It's official :popcorn:

If power were to be around 240-250hp and light weight, i'd make the switch. I would love for it to be a coupe hatch.

Guys.

Have you looked at where the turbo is mounted on the F engines? Unless they develop a whole new turbocharger setup to mount it where it used to be on the EJs or push the engine far back enough to mount it in front, there isn't going to be a turbo in this car, it's way too tall of a setup for the car's design criteria.

Oh Pahleeeeese! The car was designed with the modder in mind. There are a dozen different aftermarket turbo kits for the twins and they all fit the present car. I'm not saying there WILL be a turbo version from the factory, BUT... If they wanted to they could design it to fit where ever they needed it to fit.

Idunno. What about the intercooler, where would they mount that without blocking the rad? They definitely can't top mount it like in the WRX's, nor could they share the space in the front without cutting a giant hole near the top of the front bumper..

Maybe you could use the fake vents on the sides I guess?

Air to Liquid intercooler with baby rads behind the fake vents?

Just leave the damn thing NA and beef up the internals then let the aftermarket/ owner do whatever they please.

Aftermarket design constraints aren't the same as manufacturer design constraints.

Didn’t see this mentioned on this forum? From October photos of a new brz being tested, looks like they are going to use the current platform? good thing they are comparing it with the alpine a110

https://www.motor1.com/news/385041/s...elift-special/