A red one in the flesh.. it kinda looks like a Lava at the start of the clip..

https://youtu.be/j_6-SBHbx5E

A black one..

https://youtu.be/dvooBGPT3bg

I like the way it looks in black!

I noticed that the 'red' car has the polymer composite carbon roof as per the white car in the Toyota promo vids and the 'black' car has a carbon weave roof.. Can this be an option item?

Also, I was surprised to see a Twin convertible making an appearance in the 'black' car video..

buy it so all of us that cannot get it in the USA can live vicariously through you.

Hi guys. I'm pretty excited for this car too and there are even already some some slightly modified racing versions out there. Here are a few pics and a video of one of those in action

https://n-cars.net/forums/attachment..._25-jpg.11537/

https://n-cars.net/forums/attachment..._26-jpg.11538/

https://youtu.be/ORwTblU4BK8

And this is basically a preview of a prototype and these guys really got to push the car and do all kinds of moves with it. Some of which you probably shouldn't do on public roads. At least not as long as your are not alone on them ;)
Keep in mind though that it is in German.

https://youtu.be/0FjWQe0uv0Q

Enjoy :burnrubber:

Yesterday I called the dealership who look after my BRZ, they are saying deliveries are due January 2021. A deposit will secure a build slot. They couldn't tell me how many are coming to the UK. The sales person was saying that it depends on the number of orders..

So I just reserved one online for myself. Don't know if that offer is Germany exclusive or not but they offer a special Leasing deal until 30.06. 344€ for the High Performance Version in a 4 Year lease. The base version costs 298€. No down payment.
They also go down 5K from the list price making it 28K for the base and 32K for the High Performance version.

That looks a like a good deal to me and way better than I expected. I feared I might have to wait for used ones to hit the market but now it looks like I don't have to. Still have to get things sorted with the dealer though since I was a bit too fast in making a buying decision and have to get that reverted if I wan to take that offer.

I would happily get one of these in a two door with all the rally fixings. In fact, it's the only ICE car currently coming that I find truly exciting. I'd take this over a C8 Vette. Too bad it isn't coming to the US.

I feel the same way. It's the most interesting car out there right now that would make me trade up. It really is a damn shame it's not coming to the US.

I was bored, phoned Toyota Australia for any info about the GR4. The person I spoke didn't know anything about it, I was put on hold while she asked else where. When she returned I was told the car was a hybrid and was expected at the middle of this year. I replied we are talking about two different cars and the GR4 was featured at Toyota UK website. (Their blog page, not main website.)
Woman had no idea what I was talking about and Toyota Australia had no info/news to give. *sigh*

Australia is often like this when it comes to new cars.

If you're bored, call again. This time, ask for Corolla GR4. Cuz some countries will be sold as Yaris GR4 vs some countries will be sold as Corolla GR4.

If it comes to the US as a >3,000 lb Corolla I'm torn, part of me is like fuck it, support it, the other part of me knows I'll be sad every time that it's >200 lbs heavier than it needs to be.

Here's to crossing my fingers that my brother would trade his Corolla in on it and I could enjoy it that way.

Then again I could just buy a Veloster N...

Would it really be that heavy? :eyebulge:

Though I'd still take a GR4 Corolla if the Yaris won't happen. It would be a nice alternative to the Veloster N, CTR, or Golf R.

wut?

Why would they call the Yaris a corolla.....they're completely different cars....

I did however hear of a rumor that the engine might find its way into the corolla lineup though (as a hot hatch corolla GR or something) ....so that might be what the statement means?

Can't say much... but just sayin'

Yep, there will be a 'hot' Corolla..

Current 'rolla hatch is claimed 3,060 lbs curb weight with a FWD powertrain and NA engine. Turbo I3 will likely be heavier than the 2L I4 due to cooling equipment needed to keep ~270hp from cooking itself (vs. a pretty lazy ~170hp in the current hatch) and then you have an AWD system to slap into it which is likely going add at least a hundred lbs on top of the current Corolla layout. The current hatch doesn't have much weight to shed imho except for throwing money at body panels and chassis bits and bobs for minimal returns, that's why the Yaris had my attention, they gutted the TNGA chassis for weight, a ~2,800 lb car with AWD in this day and age is awesome.

It'll probably also pick up weight due to needing a different suspension layout in the rear, current 'rolla rear suspension doesn't facilitate driveshafts back there, the spring is in the way. Likely converting to a rear coilover setup which may require different chassis bracing, but that should all be built into the TNGA platform as-is. Wish I could find a picture of the TNGA AWD rear suspension layout, it should be interesting given the FWD's rear damper positioning...

Hopefully they can price match the Veloster N otherwise I don't think it stands a chance in the segment. The Veloster N will be lighter vs the CGR4 with similar power so it'll be down to how well the AWD system works and if people are willing to shell out an extra $5k for the CTR/GolfR/STI or even a used FoRS.

Edit; corolla sedan drops >100# vs the hatch, claimed 2910# curb weight but I'm even less interested in that format.

Larry Chen posting a bunch of WRC Yaris pics this morning hasn't helped me on this issue

Edit 2: 4-door Yaris in Japan is 2,601 lbs at it's heaviest that I can find, the 2dr GR4 is ~2822lbs so this hypothetical Corolla GR4 would be >3,200 lbs with ~270 hp. And I think I'm being optimistic with that number since to get to that weight the GR4 had to shed 2 doors, lower the roofline, and use lightweight body panels.

Yaris GR4 2800lbs/270hp = 10.4 lbs/hp
Rolla GR4 3200lbs/270hp = 11.8 lbs/hp

Focus RS 3434lbs/350hp = 9.8 lbs/hp
Civic Type R 3121lbs/306hp = 10.2 lbs/hp
Veloster N 3036lbs/275hp = 11.0 lbs/hp
STI 3400lbs/310hp = 11.0 lbs/hp
Golf R 3350lbs/288hp = 11.6 lbs/hp

86 2750lbs/205hp = 13.4 lbs/hp


Maybe if the Corolla is a turbo 4-banger that can match or better 11.0 lbs/hp I might be able to justify it against the competition. But I suspect the STI will get an update at some point in the near future and I doubt it will be lighter than the CTR or Veloster N so a CGR4 would always land somewhere in the middle. Maybe they keep the 270hp 1.6L turbo and FWD, squarely aim at the Veloster for that $30k price ad=nd performance point, that could work out ok especially if it comes with a decent differential.

I won't believe this till I see it, but interesting news!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...onfirmed-2022/

i love every aspect of this car, except its looks. and i hate to be the one to say that because i roll my eyes at people when they say things like that. but i cant help but feel it looks very "space egg" like. a little too soft around the edges. i guess compare a mk1 gti vs the mk-whatever theyre on now. much more rounded now. im calling it space egg. but the engine, awd, weight, utility of the gr4 is exciting me beyond belief, i want one!

I kinda saw this coming... But it will be FWD. Not a bad a thing but rather have the Hyundai Verlostor N but let's see what happens.

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I actually love the way the new corolla looks! The only thing I wanted different was for them to pop the 3cyl motor and awd from the yaris in to it. So I'm pretty excited to see if this actually happens. Hell, I'd be happy with that motor in the twins. But that's a discussion for another thread.

I haven't been a fan of the GTI for a long time now. I used to really like the older ones. Especially the VR6, but after that they kinda lost their flair.

I think that's the right call, AWD would make it too heavy, the CTR and Veloster N proved it's not necessary and I fully agree with that. If they're only able to cram ~260hp in better make 'em all count.

It'll be down on power and power/weight vs. all the turbo fun cars but will be interesting to see if the chassis dynamics can stack up enough to outweigh the con.

Are you like me, and the last gti you liked was the mk4 gti r32? That way my favorite one. I understand that the golf r was more powerful and less weight. But they just got bigger. Idk, I like small cars.

They just got kinda big and blocky and I didn't like it.

Are you complaining about the GTI being "larger" now since its no longer available as a 2 door? Because the Mk7 isnt a large car. Mine weighs 3000 lb and is shorter than my Integra GS-R (which it replaced) and shorter than my Cayman S. How is that large?

Add in the active LSD that you can feel rotating the car in hard turns and it seems like a pretty competent vehicle. Toyota has their work cut out for them.

Yes.

Getting back to the subject, any further information, updates or videos of the GR4??

"He's dead Dave."

"Everyone's dead Dave."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JepKVUym9Fg

Shit! I got the quote wrong. I thought people were quoting 2001.

Just to keep this thing alive, a family photo..

not sure I'd want the Corolla if it was front wheel drive.

I agree.

The Yaris GR4 has a lot of character, which is tough to find these days. It's a completely absurd car which is why it's so exciting to me.

And I'm not anti-FWD...had a 2005 Mini Cooper S and loved it.

- Andrew

I'm not against FWD, but they have to be good. I've had quite a few good handling pocket rockets, loved them all..

The Yaris GR4 is one of the few cars I was truly excited for. It had awd, turbo motor, manual, it seemed like the perfect package.

What's with the past tense? Has Toyota killed the GR4?

Just coming to terms that it will not come to the States lol

If they stick the 257hp AWD in the Corolla it would be as heavy as a new WRX with less horsepower and more expensive. FWD is the only way to keep the Corolla GR from being an uncompetitive pig imho and should line up nicely with the Veloster N underneath the Civic Type R, Golf R and STI while being just a touch 'more' than the WRX by virtue of being >100# lighter with a hatchback.

As long as they stick a real LSD in it I'd love to slide one around some day. And I bet that 3-pot sounds neat.

What made the Yaris interesting was the weight, 257hp @ 2800 lbs with AWD. There hasn't been a fun AWD car that light in 20 years since the first gen WRX.

That is exactly why the Yaris GR appealed to me soooooo much.