I see zero reason why this is necessary. Visit the Engine Swap section sometime and see what can easily fit given modest adaptations. The bigger question is what will this inefficiency cost?

I am guessing Toyota might take the lead and assemble and source the boxer engine from subui. Same here not giving up my car for anything. Soon this will become a dedicated track car and will get a turbo vs the current SC.

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WAT? If that platform is going to be used for Lexus models, we can kiss a sub 3000 lb curb weight good-bye.

Dammit.

Current Corolla is 2900 lbs with 4-doors, a hatch, and decent sound deadening/interior quality.
Edit: Japanese Yaris with 2wd is <2,600 lbs based on what I can find. Even claims down to ~2100lbs but I bet that's like a 2cylinder twist beam shitbox that iracer thinks is what will be sold here.

TNGA supports AWD already with cars on the road, the only oddities Toyota will have to adapt the platform for (if this is real which I highly doubt it) would be the longitudinal engine/transmission, coupe body lines, and Subaru's mfg process.

That third one will be the hardest unless they've been working on it for the last 5 years already.

But Why? They've noted the compromises they had to fit in the boxer, and how they really don't like the result as much as they thought they would. If Toyota manufactured the car they could easily put an i4 in it and make it far superior to what the engine is now, even if they choose to have the same power levels.




The Yaris is at least a foot or two shorter that our car. They could have gone that way and had a taller trunk if they wanted to fit 4 wheels and tires. If they want to compete weight wise with the Miata maybe they do choose this.

Toyota USA put up a Facebook post last night.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...cus_composer=0

No lie, if Toyota brought the car to the US, I'd trade up for it.

It needs to be cheaper.. if it's around 30k it might find a ninche audience

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If it comes with the specs, it's right in line with cost. No different than a MINI JCW. Otherwise 30k will limit it to fwd only.

I need to look closer at the specs[emoji14]

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2800 lbs and 270 hp is lighter than any of super hatches with equivalent hp/lb, STI, Civic Type R, Focus RS, Golf R, they're all $35k-$40k.
$30k is Hyundai Veloster N territory, good but this Yaris should be a higher performance level since it's lighter than the Veloster with the same power and AWD instead of FWD.

Of course it looks great on paper but could be crap in reality.

For me the other super hatches are too bias towards practicality, same reason I picked the FRS over a hot hatch or larger pony car. This thing at sub 2900 lbs sounds awesome, a performance AWD car hasn't been that light in over a decade.

I think they could use the GR Yaris' turbo 3 cylinder, and it would probably weigh similar or less than the FA with minimal increases in forward displacement or height displacement and work fine, but I just don't think they will, nor is it necessary that they use a Toyota engine just because the chassis is Toyota's. That last part was my main point.

Toyota could manufacture the car, but that defeats the purpose of outsourcing the car to Subaru, which is what they did before; Subaru made everything for Toyota. They did this with the Supra too; Toyota isn't manufacturing anything. If they aren't using Subaru's engines, chassis, manufacturing line or anything then why partner with Subaru on the gen 2 at all, which we know they are? Subaru would probably be fine with dropping the model all together from their lineup.

Although the press has driven the camouflaged cars, they are keeping tight lipped, however, publications such Evo mag are placing the GR4 in prominent parts of the magazine which makes me think that it's goodun!

It is in a size/class down from those cars. It is closer in size to the Fiesta than the Focus.

We have no idea what the power potential would be of the car or the performance. The numbers on paper are nice, but we don't know anything about the quality or durability or anything.

AWD isn't a guarantee of performance on tarmac, as the Civic Type R can testify compared to the AWD competition.

The WRX is AWD and has a turbocharged 2.0, and it is larger and under $30k. Most buyers of the WRX don't even understand the difference between its AWD system and the STI's. Most VW Golf buyers don't see the benefits of spending $10k+ more to get a little more power and on-demand AWD over the GTI. This will be a niche car for a niche market for those that don't mind a compromise on size for their dollar compared to the competition. Remember, this is America.

I think they should price this car between $28-32k depending on the final specs and quality.

And yet Mini is selling their 'too small to be competitive with the super hatches' car for $45k
https://www.miniusa.com/john-cooper-works-gp.html

Niche cars sell low numbers, need higher prices to offset expensive technology sold in low volumes. It's not a complicated concept.

People who get it will get it, you can keep enjoying your rwd Impreza without popping into this thread every 5th post to remind us how the Yaris you drove 15 years ago was a underwhelming.

Again this is a very special edition. Just like the special edition twins, it will be overpriced to everyone but those that want it. Should it be $40k? No, it's a yaris. But then again you're paying for the motor/ awd, not the interior. I'd say it would be competitive at $33-35k.

Mini is mini in size, but in a class at or above those competitors. It does have a BMW engine after all and more. Check out the price of the STI S209 if you want to see where special edition pricing can really go. Means little.

I’m just saying the pricing might be cheaper. It has a 1.6L 3 cylinder versus the competitors with 2-2.3L engines. The Type R is cheaper because it is FWD only probably, among other reasons. Have you seen what type of power the other cars are capable of when modified lightly? A 1.6L will likely not have the same potential. That could keep cost down besides the other things.

Yes, it could be sold as a homologation special only. If so, I could see the price going as high as they want, potentially into the stratosphere.

There is obvious appeal to having a light weight car, but that appeal won’t enhance the price, when that weight reduction was at the cost of comfort, luxuries, potential, size, etc. We aren’t talking about the type of weight management that makes the M3 lighter than the smaller M2, which is one reason why the M3 costs more than the M2. We are talking about having less stuff of value.

I could see the price maybe getting into the low $30’s, but higher and now you are talking about competing with the STI and Civic Type R. Let’s put it this way, the Fiesta ST has a 1.5L turbocharged i3 engine, and it starts at $21.5k. What is the addition of the AWD/LSDs and the extra twist on the boost controller worth? $10k? $15k? AWD as an option is $1500 on many cars. LSDs might be a grand. Just saying.

I've read somewhere that they're building 24,000 units... Seems an awfully high number for homologation requirements.. and that about 2000 units earmarked for the UK. Where are the rest going??

It seems that the petition to get in to North America is getting traction (+16k signatures)

It is even grabbing some attention on social media. Toyota USA is on Twitter asking about the GR Yaris.

Good to know my signature was not in vein

16000 signatures,, let's assume that the 16000 interests turn to sales, 2000 units for the UK, leaving 6000 for the ROW... Sounds about right...

Thank you. That gives more credence to the possibility that Toyota would price the GR Yaris reasonable if it came to the US, not like how Subaru priced the special edition S209 for the 209 units that were sold in America.

can we keep talking about this car. its absolutely amazing.

I have been waiting for Toyota GB to update me... Just ole stuff doing the rounds at the moment therefore Covid-19 is distracting/amusing me..

I was just watching some vids on the new McLaren 765LT. Looks impressive but I thought it's just another stupidly fast car.

I got a lot more excited when I saw there was a new post in this thread.
Admittedly I was hoping for some news but I find this car much more interesting than the McLaren.

It's attainable, the performance is manageable and useable. IMHO supercars have lost their magic, too many stupidly fast cars in the wrong hands!!

Have you been on Toyota's Japanese site, it has a good section about the GR4 as the order books are open there?

Just read that Toyota UK has opened its order books, the car will cost from £29,995. The uprated Circuit Pack will be £33,495.

What amazes me is that I registered interest in the car via Toyota GB but not heard from them but instead picked up the news via other means.. Anyway, I will contact a dealer to check time lines etc.

Apparently not, it seems Pistonheads have been rather careless with their news headline. Reports so far are that the car cannot yet be ordered from Toyota, it's not clear when orders can be placed, but some dealers (Including one I spoke to in person) suggested orders were likely from April with delivery late this year. There are other reports suggesting deliveries will not start until 2021.

Late yesterday I received an email from Toyota GB, outlining prices, specs and colours... Less pressure if the order books open later this year...

If we are expected to get those numbers in the UK, I'd not be concerned with them selling out but more about missing potential discounts by getting orders in early. £500 non-refundable deposit gets you a build slot apparently if you pop and see a dealer. Personally I need to see the car 1st, demonstrators due in October time. The fact there are going to be demo cars suggests they don't think they'll sell out.

I expect that this will be like the GT86 in the UK, no early discounts as expectations will be high, then it will reduce to sell the numbers. The Supra isn't currently being reduced and it's clear there's still original stock in the network, so either they'll hold out in hope or reduce them eventually. There isn't the market here IMO for a car that's not made in limited numbers.

I do like the red though:
Scarlett Flare
https://t1-cms-4.images.toyota-europ...60-1878705.jpg

Pure White or Platinum White Pearl (both pics look the same)
https://d1hu588lul0tna.cloudfront.ne...60-1878707.jpg

Precious Black:
https://d1hu588lul0tna.cloudfront.ne...60-1878708.jpg

I think either Pure White or Precious Black for me. The thing that I don't like is the rear hips.. a bit droopy but I'm sure can get used to them... Do I sell my BRZ???

Looks stellar in white! Still envious you guys get it in the UK.

I hope Toyota holds up their statement about bring that power train to the U.S. even of it's in a Corolla id buy it

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Toyota GB keeping us amused...

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UK order books open tomorrow, Friday the 13th.. what to do?? Covid-19 may delay placing orders?? If I place an order tomorrow and die due to the virus then what???

https://y.yarn.co/9a85ddaa-37d8-4b28...2d72c_text.gif

I'd buy it...

:sigh:

My wife is in your camp...