Outsaucing.


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Wait a minute, does this belong in 'Tcoat's lunch gone sexual' or something??

No, it’s still in the same class. The Yaris hasn’t eclipsed the Corolla. Just because they built up the Yaris to out perform the Corolla doesn’t change the class of the Yaris. Just because a Mustang GT500 has more power than a Ford GT and might do the 1/4 mile faster doesn’t mean it’s in a higher class or even in the same class. It’s still a Mustang.

And an STI is just an Impreza
And a Civic Type R is just a Civic
And a Golf R is just a Golf
And a Focus RS is just a Focus
And a Veloster N is just a Veloster

All starting at the $20k shitbox price point.

Sounds to me like they nailed a segment you never cared about, why put so much energy into explaining why?

Because all of those cars have had reviews say how their interiors feel just the same as their $20k counter parts (as a negative), yet they cost $40k, and this car has a $16k interior/shell of a class below all of those cars you just mentioned.

Again, I hope I eat my words, but if this car is like the Yaris I drove then it may have AWD and a powerful engine, but the car's interior will feel cheap and plastic; the ergonomics will feel like you are sitting on the car and not in the car; the cabin will feel like a tin can floating on the ocean. We will have to see after reviewers get some seat time if I'm way off.

I should also mention this:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...79&postcount=1

Some lines on the Yaris GR are shared with this Scirocco (sloping top, wide rear fenders, narrowing cabin), so I can appreciate that:

http://s3.caradvice.com.au/thumb/960...irocco-4-1.jpg


https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/GM...a-gr-yaris.jpg

It'll be too fast keeping the driver busy.. So won't notice the low rent interior..

But I think that the car is just too nice for the American market.. they can't cheapen it enough???

Again you should really take the time to spend a few minutes with a TNGA car before shitting on this. (Latest gen Camry, Corolla, etc. and then remove the floaty suspension tuning) You sound like a baby-boomer proudly proclaiming how they'll never buy 'jap crap' while driving a Buick.

Not bad for a first effort, but why couldn't they give it rear doors? If I needed a hot hatch, presumably it would be for its practicality. The rear doors would go a long ways there. Hell even the Veloster N's 3rd door would be better than nothing.

Honestly it being a 2 door might be the thing I like most about it relative to the competition, makes it look like a sleek little thing, reminds me of a CRZ but with guts. Like a modern M coupe shooting brake or the old tiny hatches, the proportions are excellent (aside from the unavoidable front grill/hood height for pedestrian safety). Probably helps it hit that ~2,800 lb curb weight too.

If you want the extra doors/practicality there's the rest of the super hatches to choose from. The best business advice I've heard is "never charge a fortified hill"

The Japanese version of the Yaris and the American version are obviously different, but the GR Yaris is very different from the Japanese version of the Yaris. While it is not as cheap as the American version, the Japanese version is built more like the American version with 4-doors and 5-seats. The GR Yaris has a sloping rear roof with larger fenders that are further forward than the standard Yaris. I'm not saying it is impossible, but the GR looks to have a 2+2 seat setup like the 86, which wouldn't work well as a 4-door. This would make sense because the standard Yaris is FWD, but the GR is AWD, and it needs room for a driveshaft tunnel.

US Yaris aka Mazda 2

https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/xL3...-yaris-012.jpg


Japanese Yaris

https://i1.wp.com/www.motoringresear...0%2C1000&ssl=1


Japanese Yaris GR

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/X8...a-gr-yaris.jpg

Veloster GRMN

I'm now reading that MK2 Twin will have similar horsepower (turbo and possibly 4WD)... And will be renamed GR86...

I'm almost certain the two (Japanese Yaris and GR4) have the exact same wheelbase. Same way the GTI/Civic Si's come in both 2 and 4 door, but retain the same wheelbase/overall length.

The only difference is the GR4 get's a modified roof. If they really wanted to they could make a 4 door version, but I doubt sales/interest would generate enough volume/demand to justify the new tooling for the sides.

They probably could, but look, they also moved the gas tank door, maybe to get it out of the way to maximize suspension travel or something. But it is probably to keep costs down like you said.

Those are Supras that are aggressively photoshopped, but they look ok.

VW abandoned the 2-door GTI market in the US, so it might be a pretty desolate hill that Toyota is charging up.

I do like your CRZ analogy though. The styling of that car deserved better hardware underneath.

The Mazda 2 and Japanese Yaris are pretty decent looking cars for economy hatches!

The Mazda 3 hatch is also striking. I like what Mazda is doing right now with their designs.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1569347781.jpg

@DarkSunrise you assume they're charging at all in the US, they're not, another car to withhold from Americans.

I hate morons that tell me what I don't understand. Toyota had Mazda build the new US Yaris because Mazda just finished a factory in Mexico and had extra capacity. Before that the US received Yaris made in France, which weren't the best. Only in the first few model years in the USA did we receive a Yaris built in Japan.

But you missed my point entirely. What we call a Yaris is two totally separate cars in the rest of the world. Only the hatch is called a Yaris in some parts of the world. The sedan is a totally different vehicle. Toyota does this a lot. So does other companies. The Nissan "Rogue Sport," has absolutely nothing to do with the Rogue and is called Qashqai in the rest of the world. That's typical and nothing to think would be a problem.

What is a problem and why England gets a lot of these cars no one else does is because Japan and England drive on the same side of the road. That will always be the biggest issue for the US to receive a ton of the awesome vehicles from Japan that we don't. And I bet if we got rid of the idiotic over litigious issues we have in the US that might change. But none of these companies want to get sued over selling a left hand drive car in the USA, because they know far too many people here are imbeciles. And creating a right hand drive version is too expensive in a car that won't sell very much.


You weren't paying attention. The Yaris was never a POS in quality. It has always been one of the least expensive cars to own, and almost nothing ever goes wrong. The early versions might not have had the best interior, but that was literally the point. The first gen Yaris could be had for $9,999. Mine was $13,200 out the door in May of 2006, and I never had any issues at all, even with all the mods I made. It was a perfect car for the 13 years I owned it. With a cheap aftermarket suspension, the Yaris is a fun car to drive. There is a Yaris spec racing series in Japan that has been very popular since the Yaris came out, and the Yaris has done well in SCCA competition. It was basically a front wheel drive Miata.

Sadly none of this matters for US residents. We're not getting this car.

@why? All this moron was saying is that bringing the Yaris to the US is a helluva lot more work than driving a couple of them onto a boat because, as you meandered through it's design history to reach the same conclusion, as far as the US gov is concerned it's a whole new car that will need to pass a full battery of crash safety and emissions tests.

:cheers:

Please sign !

I need this to replace my BRZ.

https://i.imgur.com/UaWYZoi.png

Least expensive = POS in quality is my point. There is a reason why that car is so light for its size. I understand it was more reliable than your dad’s Cadillac (made up example), except that Cadillac has five times the number of parts.

“With a cheap aftermarket suspension, the Yaris is fun to drive.” See, we obviously have a difference about what is fun. I can have fun in anything, but I wouldn’t describe a car as fun with a 0-60 of 10 seconds, with hard and uncomfortable plastic for resting my arms, that has cheap and uncomfortable seats, and that is loud and feels like a wobbly tin can on road.

People race everything; there is tractor and toilet racing. A cheap car makes it easy to create a series more than an expensive car.

Saito's team drew inspiration from 4WD Focus RS, the Impreza and had an Audi S1 shipped over to Japan...

What's not to love about that??

whats the official weight of this thing? someone said, 2800lb, someone else said 2400lb. if its an awd hot hatch 260hp 2400lb im moving to japan

I don't know if there's an "official" weight but 1280kg is the number being thrown about.

what a moron :respekt::respekt::respekt::respekt::respekt:

That would be magic. The ND Miata weighs about 2400lbs, and it doesn't have AWD or a turbocharger system, and it also has a 91'' wheelbase and not the 100'' wheelbase of the GR Yaris. The GR Yaris is closer to the 86 in dimensions with a stubbier front and rear bumper. It saves weight over the 86 with the engine, new chassis, and potentially with the quality in some areas, but it makes that up with the weight of the turbocharger, AWD system and the increase in height/volume.

Miata dimensions:

Wheelbase: 91''
Length: 154''
Width: 68''
Height: 48''

86 dimensions:

Wheelbase: 100''
Length: 167''
Width: 70''
Height: 51''

GR Yaris dimensions:

Wheelbase: 100''
Length: 157''
Width: 71''
Height: 58''

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On a separate note, this article has some excellent pictures of the Jp/Euro Hybrid Yaris:

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/10/20...re-philosophy/

2800 lb / 1280 kg has been widely circulated as the weight. Seems realistic.

2600 lb does not.

Has anyone been able to confirm if you can see the brake pads without taking the wheels off? That's really affecting my willingness to accept this car as something I could feasibly import in 25 years.

Wow, you are a planner, and apparently, incredibly picky.

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Here's the solution to 2nd gen 86 sitting right here.

Drop Subaru, who needs them. It's not like they're going to come out with anything worth while anyway. WRX 2021, bring your dog edition.

Modify this Yaris platform, delete the AWD and make it RWD with two engine trims (NA/FI). Boom, I am genius, gib me money now.

This has been said already.

The problem is that Subaru is already signed up to partner for the next 86, and I am sure they will still be the one building the MKII. The GR Yaris will likely be built on the same line as the standard (Jap) Yaris, but the 86 will need its own production line, which is where Subaru comes in. The car will also need an engine. I don't think the 100hp NA motor will cut it, nor may the turbo motor if it couldn't be easily adapted to be longitudinal. In fact, I was trying to see if this TNGA is even compatible with an 86. The dimensions seem similar enough, but what motor would fit? I don't think many longitudinal engines will fit because the firewall position. Another NA boxer motor is the best guess. My thinking is that they will add D4S to the 2.4L motor and try to squeeze 240-250hp out of that motor. It only has a larger bore, so it won't be wider than what we have currently. It really depends on how adaptable this platform is for the 86:

Side by side: Look at the height difference of the windshields or the dash position relative to each other.

http://assets.superstreetonline.com/f/38716904.jpg
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...latform-11.jpg
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...latform-13.jpg


Engine position: Look how far forward the motor is relative to the strut towers.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1330656949
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...platform-3.jpg
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...latform-22.jpg


Engine bay differences: The steering wrack is further back, which means the motor could move further back, but it doesn't look big enough for a transmission to fit in the tunnel. Just enough size for a driveshaft and front diff. Then again, the 86's transmission has a long bell housing, so I'm not sure.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/atta...1&d=1501756019
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content...platform-8.jpg

Why?????

Hey, the Geo Metro sold as a convertible, why not a Yaris?

Only thing you are going to get off that platform is a new MR2. But I doubt we are going to be that lucky.

to make a marginally ugly car full on ugly?

I always struggled with the idea behind the E30 M3 convertible as the 'tin top' started life as a homologation special.. so who the hell races a convertible E30 M3?

I have the same view regards the Yaris..

I read in Evo mag this week that Toyota is looking to build circa 24,000 units and that the UK will receive a four figure sum..

Rumors are the MK2 twins will be built on Toyota's current next gen platform and Subaru will be providing the power plant...

but that rumor makes absolutely zero sense. If it is on Toyota's platform it should use a Toyota engine. And is Toyota going to manufacturer it now?

That seems necessary considering Subaru no longer has a RWD architecture, but it also seems difficult if Subaru is going to continue to build these cars. Before it was their chassis with their engine on their assembly line. Now it would be Toyota’s chassis with Subaru’s engine on Subaru’s assembly line. I don’t know how adaptable the assembly line would be for such a situation.

I understand Lexus models will be built on the TNGA platform, so they must be able to accommodate FR architecture, but a common mold could also mean a bulbous body. We will see. Regardless, I’m so invested in my car that I won’t be updating anytime soon.