What makes you think it rotates well? I didn't watch all of the track video, but the bits I did see look and sound like it understeers terribly.

Not the best option to test a rally based car on a race track. A closed uphill road or gravel would be a better option. There are other videos on gravel.

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A rally based car? Let's be clear about this. It is a street car, plain and simple. The marketing department may frame it as something else, but it is designed to be a street car from the very beginning.
That being said, legitimate rally cars would rotate much better than what I saw in that video on the track.

When he put down the power, the front appeared to tuck in nicely, especially on that tight left hander before the back straight. Any car can be made to understeer or oversteer.

Yes it is a street car but it is focused for racing the same way other brands are doing. It is just not so much focused for race track events, but more for hill climb events or gravel or snow. Marketing hasn't to do anything about it, apart from some homologation bullshit and promotion material.

Anyway this particular won't come to your market, so not much to worry about its rotation performance.

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I appreciate it's impossible to separate the marketing spiel from reality. Impossible.

But having said that it was said of the modern GT40 that Ford designed a race car first then made it road legal as opposed to the other way around.

The GR Yaris is a homologation car; it wouldn't surprise me if there were design considerations made to this car that wouldn't be applied to a street car.
Given the car can vary between 100% rwd to 100% fwd I am suggesting the "quality" of rotation is variable.

"The GR Yaris is a homologation car; it wouldn't surprise me if there were design considerations made to this car that wouldn't be applied to a street car.
Given the car can vary between 100% rwd to 100% fwd I am suggesting the "quality" of rotation is variable."

Yes, this is the cool, meaningful bit. I wonder what the power distribution setup was like in that video. Because, while one can only tell so much from a video, it sure looked and sounded like it plowed a lot. Well....like most other street cars, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1xq2N1nKU

I think this video until the 8:10 mark does a good in giving insight into the topic of "rotation". That being said this is no GT 86. The car is built for grip and comes from the factory with some very good rubber. You certainly shouldn't expect the ass to get out of line on every single corner that you take.

I also just ordered mine. High Performance version in Pearl White. Non-committal delivery date is April 2021. So the big waiting game has begun :)

Well done. Any ideas on numbers available/sold?

My dealer said he already sold a few. I also heard somewhere there have been over 6000 preorders already which is pretty good when you consider that there will be only 25000 and that at this point in time you have buy it blind just like I did.

Yeah, that looks much more interesting now. He was countersteering in places. Nice. My hope has been renewed.

I thought I had read that it was a "production" car. That is, there is no hard limit on the number of cars produced.

Design considerations yes, but after the fiasco of idiots crashing FRS in the first week of the car being out I would not be surprised if the car had tons of understeer dialed in to make sure no one does something so moronic. I also would bet there are ways to easily fix it.

Every production car has a limit on how many are produced, doesn't it?

Gordon Murray says there are going to be 100 T.50 street and 25 track T.50 cars made. That is, a set, fixed number of cars.

Toyota does not announce how many Camrys they are going to build.
My post was suggesting the GR Yaris was closer to the Camry non-announcement than the Murray fixed number announcement. That is, The GR Yaris is not a "limited" production run.

It is NOT a limited production car and there is not any relationship with homologation. The days a manufacturer had to produce a street car "close" to the rally specifications is over for decades. Toyota was using for at least 2-3 years a Yaris WRC car without having a Yaris AWD production model. I would say that the 25000 number is a threshold to mark the model either successful or not in terms of margin performance and internal targets.

I've read a few articles saying Toyota has to build 25,000 cars to meet homologation.

This was more a marketing driven decision and not so much an engineering driven decision. You can check the complete details below. Here is an excerpt:

Ask any current designer for the best base model for a World Rally Car and they’ll take you to the base model found up and down supermarket car parks.

What they won’t ask for is the marketing-driven, gen z-focused hot road car which comes in almost as wide as a current World Rally Car. It’s true. Ogier’s car in Sweden this week was based on a road car 1510mm wide. Elfyn’s Yaris in 12 months will have come off a hot hatch 1805mm wide – that’s only 70-mil narrower than the Yaris WRC.

One rival designer admitted this had caused the odd bit of head scratching.

“You want the narrowest car possible,” they said. “That gives you as much room as possible to work to the maximum width – that’s where the freedom is. Starting with a very wide road car could potentially compromise the World Rally Car.”


https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/toyot...earned-so-far/

The new WRC car is based on the GR Yaris though and not the normal one therefore it requires homologation.

In the footnotes of this official article from Toyota they also mention that.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/to...RfDOXL8.mailto


The car will be in production for a year and 25.000 will be built. That's why Toyota has given people the option to reserve one. Once they are all accounted for it's done.
25.000 is still plenty though. I don't think there will be too many people disappointed that they can't get one. Besides all the people in NA of course.

It will certainly not be the same situation as with my Yaris GRMN which is so rare most people have never seen one before.

Toyota UK are showing the car (the flyer says it'll be the prototype therefore no test drives) at a number of dealers through the last few weeks of August and the whole of September. Unsure whether it's just the one car doing the rounds or a handful.

I think that I'll make the trip to see it in the flesh.. need to check the Covid-19 protocols.. I hope it's not too much of a faff!!

This article is dated back in January which is before the Covid-19 situation. The latest decision is to use the old WRC car for the 2021 season. Main reason was that they didn't have enough time to test the new one and maybe it was also a financial decision. As far it concerns the GR Yaris project they said it'll continue, but I don't think it is related anymore with any "homologation" requirement.

Personally, I don't care too much about the above. If it is a good car, then it is a good car ...

You should. You really have to see in the flesh to experience what a presence it has and how stunning it is. I just checked my post history on here and noticed that I haven't actually said that I got to see one for real over here in Germany back in March. I also took a few pictures of it while I was there.




Agreed. In the end that's what counts and I am pretty certain it will be.

I also read that production wasn't limited but expected it to sell around 25,000 units.

Oddly it's not at either of my local dealers on the tour, perhaps no-one had put an order in.

This is a video of the older GRMN Yaris (older chassis platform with a S/C) , but it looks to turn quite well. Lap time was better comparing to a GT 86 with the performance package.

GRMN Yaris (212 PS)
01'09.402

GT 86 performance package (207 PS)
01'10.649

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCvxT_U9wI&t=1327s

There's a guy in my area who owns the original GRMN Yaris, white with the graphics. I never had the opportunity to chat with him..

It's the only one that I've seen on the road..

Given only 80 made it to the UK I'm not surprised.

Noob impression!

Google couldn't help :(


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You have to watch the Best Motoring/Hot Version touge videos to get it.

Here in Australia Toyota just released pricing for the normal 5 door Yaris. They must have been doing lines of the good stuff, because the starting price of the cheapest Yaris jumped about AU$6k to $25k driveaway. You can get a Corolla or Mazda 3 for that. Top Yaris hybrid is AU$35k driveaway... same price as an 86 or a Camry... nuts! Makes me think the GR Yaris is going to be insanely expensive. :( Shame, because I was looking forward to seeing them on the road.

They increased the quality of base Yaris, so the price had to go up. It is not anymore a small cheap car.

Isn't an STI like $58k there? It will not be any cheaper then that, not sure why you thought it might be otherwise? Crazy low production volume chassis with a carbon fiber roof and special low production engine, this thing is going to be expensive everywhere.

Didn’t say it wan’t going to be expensive. The point is that that the entire Yaris range has become stupidly expensive. I can’t see them selling many GR Yaris’ at AU$58k... especially since Australia misses out on the full performance version with the mechanical LSDs etc. So yes, that is STI or CTR money... Or Stinger GT, 370Z Nismo etc... all bigger cars, more features, just as quick in the real world. Well, the CTR is likely still quicker. That will make the GR a tough sell.

Just seen this on Speedhunters site.. It looks just right!! I want one!!!!

They honestly look pretty great stock (the GR edition) in person! But I'm betting the aftermarket will make them even better.

I sadly missed the dealer showing.. I'm reading that deliveries have started or about to start in Japan so more detailed road reviews will be good to see..

You can now take a look at all the official upgrade parts that Toyota will produce for the GR Yaris. A video showing all the stuff is also available. Right now everything is in Japanese but at least translating the first site is no problem.


https://toyotagazooracing.com/jp/gr/yaris/customize/
https://toyotagazooracing.com/pages/...f/gr_parts.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fYxvlI8JLI

Prices are decent too. I know other manufactures who would ask a lot more for all of this.

There will also be an online event on September 16th in celebration of the GR Yaris launch.

https://twitter.com/en_toyota/status...40023734136832

HKS teased their livery for the GR Yaris and its on point

More modded stuff..

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/dai...-a-pandem-kit/