Originally Posted by dpfarr (Post 3382358)

That’s great, I hope their tooling can facilitate bringing the GR4 to a wider audience as a last hurrah to ICE cars.

I just don’t think that the Corolla (is their a hatch and sedan?) will be anywhere near an equivalent to a GR4. The same thought occurs to me with a Camry trd. Sure it’s capable and looks better than a base Camry but if you’re intending to use it like you would a twin you’ll be comparing apples and oranges right? That’s my whole point with this Yaris being transposed to a Corolla. Apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3382203)

I see nothing wrong with the Corolla's size. I really like the way the hatchbacks look. Sure it would be nice if the Corolla was smaller, but cars just keep getting bigger, so it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast (Post 3382225)

An STI or a Golf R are $40,000, why not a super-hot-Corolla (if one fantasizes about a GR4 equivalent)? If the GR Corolla will be a WRX/GTI equivalent (which it probably be will), I'd agree with you on the price (that should be south of $30,000).
Can't argue with the cost of ownership between a hot Toyota and a hot BMiniW, though.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3382388)

If a GR corolla is to become a reality expect it to compete in the area of Civic Si/Golf GTI. If it were to be a GR4* corolla, good luck competing with the CTR, the only thing that has a chance right now would be an even higher trim Veloster N which doesn't exist(or tuned/modded current N), or the yet debuted 2022 STi; strictly speaking performance.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3382399)

Today's Corolla is the size of an Accord 10 years ago, which has been a 'mid-sized' car for ~30 years. It's fine for what it is but imho it's not a 'compact' car.

For me it's not the size, it's the weight, and you're not adding any more power without adding the weight to the driveline to handle it. That's what's awesome about the GR Yaris, it's so damn light.




If they had a 300+hp 4-banger on the road already I'd believe this is possible. They could build up the AR engine to do it, but again, no return on investment there so I doubt they'll do that.

TNGA-C platform that underpins the Corolla doesn't accept a V6 as far as I can tell sooo, while interesting as a concept (more so then the veloster N or Si competitor that's likely to be in development) I don't think Toyota is willing to build an STI/GolfR/CTR competitor while already carrying two low selling cars in the 86 and Supra.



That's probably the best case scenario for a successful car, an Si competitor that sits lower then a GTI, somewhere around $26-$28k.

Toyota doesn't have a good engine for this niche though except the 8AR-FTS in the current IS300 making 244 horses, so I expect it'll be Veloster N price for Civic Si performance, heavier then both, middling horsepower.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf (Post 3382388)

everyone here seems to have the confusion that the greater the size the better the vehicle.

Originally Posted by Guru Woodman (Post 3383632)

There are so many reviews that it's almost painful to watch, considering that it's not available in North America and I desperately want one.

I think that Autogefühl does the best review of them all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS5by49BnoM

Originally Posted by why? (Post 3383274)

Basically Toyota built the awd 2 door car that no one has seen in the USA since the Mazda 323 GTX or Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX and Toyota USA decided no one in the USA would even think of buying it. I'd literally go buy this car right now if I could. I hate Toyota USA.