Toyota USA put up a Facebook post last night.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...cus_composer=0

No lie, if Toyota brought the car to the US, I'd trade up for it.

It needs to be cheaper.. if it's around 30k it might find a ninche audience

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If it comes with the specs, it's right in line with cost. No different than a MINI JCW. Otherwise 30k will limit it to fwd only.

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2800 lbs and 270 hp is lighter than any of super hatches with equivalent hp/lb, STI, Civic Type R, Focus RS, Golf R, they're all $35k-$40k.
$30k is Hyundai Veloster N territory, good but this Yaris should be a higher performance level since it's lighter than the Veloster with the same power and AWD instead of FWD.

Of course it looks great on paper but could be crap in reality.

For me the other super hatches are too bias towards practicality, same reason I picked the FRS over a hot hatch or larger pony car. This thing at sub 2900 lbs sounds awesome, a performance AWD car hasn't been that light in over a decade.

I think they could use the GR Yaris' turbo 3 cylinder, and it would probably weigh similar or less than the FA with minimal increases in forward displacement or height displacement and work fine, but I just don't think they will, nor is it necessary that they use a Toyota engine just because the chassis is Toyota's. That last part was my main point.

Toyota could manufacture the car, but that defeats the purpose of outsourcing the car to Subaru, which is what they did before; Subaru made everything for Toyota. They did this with the Supra too; Toyota isn't manufacturing anything. If they aren't using Subaru's engines, chassis, manufacturing line or anything then why partner with Subaru on the gen 2 at all, which we know they are? Subaru would probably be fine with dropping the model all together from their lineup.

Although the press has driven the camouflaged cars, they are keeping tight lipped, however, publications such Evo mag are placing the GR4 in prominent parts of the magazine which makes me think that it's goodun!

It is in a size/class down from those cars. It is closer in size to the Fiesta than the Focus.

We have no idea what the power potential would be of the car or the performance. The numbers on paper are nice, but we don't know anything about the quality or durability or anything.

AWD isn't a guarantee of performance on tarmac, as the Civic Type R can testify compared to the AWD competition.

The WRX is AWD and has a turbocharged 2.0, and it is larger and under $30k. Most buyers of the WRX don't even understand the difference between its AWD system and the STI's. Most VW Golf buyers don't see the benefits of spending $10k+ more to get a little more power and on-demand AWD over the GTI. This will be a niche car for a niche market for those that don't mind a compromise on size for their dollar compared to the competition. Remember, this is America.

I think they should price this car between $28-32k depending on the final specs and quality.

And yet Mini is selling their 'too small to be competitive with the super hatches' car for $45k
https://www.miniusa.com/john-cooper-works-gp.html

Niche cars sell low numbers, need higher prices to offset expensive technology sold in low volumes. It's not a complicated concept.

People who get it will get it, you can keep enjoying your rwd Impreza without popping into this thread every 5th post to remind us how the Yaris you drove 15 years ago was a underwhelming.

Again this is a very special edition. Just like the special edition twins, it will be overpriced to everyone but those that want it. Should it be $40k? No, it's a yaris. But then again you're paying for the motor/ awd, not the interior. I'd say it would be competitive at $33-35k.

Mini is mini in size, but in a class at or above those competitors. It does have a BMW engine after all and more. Check out the price of the STI S209 if you want to see where special edition pricing can really go. Means little.

I’m just saying the pricing might be cheaper. It has a 1.6L 3 cylinder versus the competitors with 2-2.3L engines. The Type R is cheaper because it is FWD only probably, among other reasons. Have you seen what type of power the other cars are capable of when modified lightly? A 1.6L will likely not have the same potential. That could keep cost down besides the other things.

Yes, it could be sold as a homologation special only. If so, I could see the price going as high as they want, potentially into the stratosphere.

There is obvious appeal to having a light weight car, but that appeal won’t enhance the price, when that weight reduction was at the cost of comfort, luxuries, potential, size, etc. We aren’t talking about the type of weight management that makes the M3 lighter than the smaller M2, which is one reason why the M3 costs more than the M2. We are talking about having less stuff of value.

I could see the price maybe getting into the low $30’s, but higher and now you are talking about competing with the STI and Civic Type R. Let’s put it this way, the Fiesta ST has a 1.5L turbocharged i3 engine, and it starts at $21.5k. What is the addition of the AWD/LSDs and the extra twist on the boost controller worth? $10k? $15k? AWD as an option is $1500 on many cars. LSDs might be a grand. Just saying.