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I think I got ripped off... :(

Likely spam and stuff.

Oh Lord.... Bro why didnt you read the performance tuning thread on here first? No bro that performance tuning chip thing wont do anything. Get an Ecutek tune or OFT V2 (which is bs imo). I hope you didnt pay a lot for it and can get a refund.

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Welcome to the forum.

I would read through the tech sections for information on all the parts you listed.

Intakes do not add much power, if any, to these cars. Additionally, Cat backs are mainly for sound. Add one if you like, but you are not going to gain as much as with a proper tune + header

For adding power to a NA car: Look into OFT (open flash tablet + header + e85 if available) Or, depending on your total goals, look into ECUTEK + your desired mods.

If you are going to go FI, plan on this from the start.

:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Omnivus (Post 3278654)

While researching them I was swarmed with performance chip websites.

Got any links? Our BS detectors are pretty good, otherwise we can't offer much advice.

What did you pay with? If it’s Paypal/VISA and seller is refusing a refund, Paypal will refund your money and VISA will do a chargeback

I'm not sure of any other way to flash the ECU without removing it, other than through the OBD2 port.

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Originally Posted by Omnivus (Post 3278654)

I think I got ripped off. I am new to all of this. My 2013 Scion FR-S is the first nice car (and sports car) I've ever owned. While researching them I was swarmed with performance chip websites. I thought they were legit because I have a friend who says he has one in his BMW, and I know that he knows cars. His was from Autowerkes or something? Well, the one I ended up buying was from JDM on some performancechiptuning website that actually looks shady now that I think of it. Well anyways, the one I bought plugs into the OBD2 port and then I read that you can't program the ECU from the OBD2 port, so any performance chip that plugs into the ODB2 port is a scam. Can anyone enlighten me on whether performance chips are actually real and which one(s) work with a 2013 Scion FR-S please? I know I need to get the basic mods done first like cold air intake, catback exhaust, headers, etc. But I am just trying to learn and have an upgrade plan for the future. Your assistance and advice is greatly appreciated.

Omnivus
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They are a scam. I am sorry to say you got ripped off.

Very short post i'll make since I only have a few minutes.

Do not bother with an intake unless you have FI. Such as the intake that comes WITH the Edelbrock supercharger kit. Just get an aftermarket air filter which has proven it moves more air than the OEM and you can save money for other parts. The OEM intake is already cold air and very optimized besides maybe a snorkel redesign which there is also an aftermarket snorkel.

Get headers. (EL provides about 5 more whp than UEL and more top end power but UEL provides more low-mid range power and is less powerful but sounds great)

Get a header back system with resonators and baffles so you dont drone or get pulled over for an obnoxious loud exhaust. OEM is fine if you are on an ultra budget. If you want to go FI then 3 inch header back systems are proven for more power.

If you have E85 near you, get that... but you will need a tune first before you fill her up. Cheap race fuel.

Lastly, Get a legit tune so your ECU can maximize all these aftermarket parts you bought.. which is what these "performance chip" companies are trying to scam off of. Two methods of tunes are OFT and ECUtek which do go into the OBD2 port but OFT has a library of tunes available for amateur DIY'rs and ECUtek is more for E-Tunes from reputable tuners such as Delicious Tuning and a local shop to you that can contact them.

Those are quick tips for maximum NA bolt on power for a FA20. You can always get lighter wheels/tires/drivetrain components for a bit better power to weight ratio but... this is how its done on the FA20. There are no "performance chips" and honestly I think on all platforms that is a scam. Modifying the code of the original ECU is always the way, from what i've learned at least. Even worse to say.. and this is the anxiety part of me.. who knows what this "performance chip" did to your ECU, odds are nothing but introducing anything that was not researched specifically for the platform is a very bad idea.

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Originally Posted by AutoNewb (Post 3278669)

Lastly, Get a legit tune so your ECU can maximize all these aftermarket parts you bought.. Two methods of tunes are OFT and ECUtek which do go into the OBD2 port but OFT has a library of tunes available for amateur DIY'rs and ECUtek is more for E-Tunes from reputable tuners such as Delicious Tuning and a local shop to you that can contact them.

Just making use of the forum's stickies --> https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29340

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Originally Posted by ROFL it's Waffle (Post 3278671)

Just making use of the forum's stickies --> https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29340

That too! Wow, I learned something new. There are more than ECUtek and OFT lol. Never heard of Hydra EMS 2.7, BRZedit, or Unichip before!

First nice car you ever owned and then you want to try and mess it up?

A flash/tune isn't as simple thing as plug and play. You have to know at least the basics of what it is doing. Adjusting A/F Ratios, Timings, Throttle Response, etc. What if it runs rich? lean? throwing engine codes? that would be the next problem.

You should keep it stock, drive it around for a while then decide what you'd like to improve on.

Take it as a lesson learned to do more research on discussion forums before just buying what a friend says.

How did you buy a chip? You can't even select your car from their drop-down menu. Also, did you specify the 16-cylinder engine? https://www.performancechiptuning.co...d2-for-toyota/

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Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 3278676)

To be fair.. When I took my car to my tuner to install the ecutek. I had no clue about the tech parameters and how AFRs worked, or anything. But that's what im paying them for. Later on I learned through reading but... Paid my tuner for that service.

Agreed with the rest

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Originally Posted by ROFL it's Waffle (Post 3278677)

How did you buy a chip? You can't even select your car from their drop-down menu. Also, did you specify the 16-cylinder engine? https://www.performancechiptuning.co...d2-for-toyota/

I think it was this:

http://www.jdmperformancechip.com/sh.../selectProduct

Which another forum links to the scam website:

https://www.scambook.com/company/vie...rmancechip.com

hmph...clearly some unedumacated folks in here...oh well, jokes on them guess i'll be the only one twin with ova 9000 newton meters of torque from a $15.99 chip from ebay

^^