RaceGas in Canada HP+++
 

You can get RaceGas in the GTA now. The gains are similar to E85 and alot safer then water/methanol injection.
You'll need a dyno tune and one can of RaceGas additive in your tank.
If you're boosted and tuned for 94 octane you will achieve aproximately 99 Octane with RaceGas additive which will increase torque/horsepower (+20 - 40)
I've been thinking of going this route... Anyone else doing this?

RaceGas? Never even heard of this in Canada
Is it similar gains to E85 or water methanol injection?

I am always sceptical of products that make claims like this.

The marketing literature make it seem to work like a high performance octane booster. I can find no sign that it's safe for catalytic converters or general emissions equipment. I can't find any independent testing outside of their own webpage to verify octane claims although other similar products exist and DO seem to have some verified independent testing. I actually expect this product is one of these with a different label as is often the case with these things.

I haven't done a RaceGas tune yet but I have a buddy who did and gained +35hp and +20lb-ft

That's impressive considering all you need is a dyno tune + RaceGas. I would think Water/Methanol is alot more expensive and unsafe.

With what additional parts, if any?

I find it hard to believe 8oz of anything will do that. Straight Benzene/Toluene/Alcohol/Plutonium can't do that. What is in that magical 8oz of liquid?

That's the octane booster I run, Glenn.

Not cheap - but it allows me to run 91 octane fuel on track with my 94 octane tune when 94 isn't available at a pump nearby. Sasha from Onpoint Dyno runs it - so that's a pretty big vote of confidence in the product working right there.


It contains some naughty chemicals though (notably MMT), so it's not street legal.


As I recall, I need basically an entire can to top a full tank of 91 up to 94.



Royal Purple makes a similar additive that's quite a bit cheaper and is also MMT based. Haven't seen any actual dyno tests - but the butt dyno results felt identical to me.

Thanks for the clarification, Brian. That's a hefty price to pay to go from 91-94. Is there no Petro 94 around anywhere?

I had the ratios wrong. I misread their ad here;

https://performanceimprovements.com/products/rg100032

MMT was removed from fuels a long time ago for many reasons, as I'm sure you know. Posted for others.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-cana...-gasoline.html

Ethanol would be a better option I think. Logistics is the main issue and cost, of course.

Currently, there is no 94 octane fuel in the area around Grand Bend, but that should be changing. I've been talking with one of the local gas stations, and they are looking at bringing in a higher octane fuel for the summer. Most likely something in the 94-98 octane range, as the track only carries 100 Octane+ options right now. As I understand they are currently deciding whether it will be drum based or stored in a new tank underground.


I believe the street price is about $40 a can, so "Race Gas" brand is not cheap. But it works. The 91->94 price jump probably equates to about $10 a tank at the station for comparison. The plus here is you could run a ZERO ethanol fuel (which some people like) and still get 94 octane.

Can't do that with Ultra 94 since it's actually more than 10% ethanol.

As for using ethanol as an additive - the problem here is that while it does raise octane it has a much lower energy content per unit volume than gasoline. It is also highly hygroscopic. MMT brings a SHIT PILE of energy to the table, in addition to the octane bump. Our cars are also very sensitive to ethanol - it's the reason our fuel pumps chirp like crickets.


MMT was removed solely due to tree huggers. Anything else you read is more or less a sales pitch.

20 to 40? That's a pretty wide spread there. Probably more like 15

You can see those sorts of gains if you're boosted but otherwise, it's more like 10-15.

Who said anything about 8oz of RaceGas? You need boost and 32oz of RaceGas to make that kinda power.

Dyno numbers dont lie, especially when you have before and after dyno runs for comparison... you'd be surprised what a boosted BRZ gains with RaceGas

I should have been more specific here. For anyone interested Yes I saw the dyno results before and after. I will try to acquire that and post it here. This was done on a 2018 twin with a 210 Sprintex supercharger.
To be precise, 32oz of RaceGas additive gained 20lb-ft and 37whp. Timing was pulled back as soon knock was introduced so its conservatively tuned.

Boostane has done and posted many dyno tests as well as independent dyno testing showing it works.

In my next post I said that I read it wrong...

The 2 or 3 brands of octane booster that really work are no substitute for real high octane race gas available from tracks and some race shops.

Their real value is for 94 tuned cars in areas where 94 is not sold or when it is out of stock in your locality , or when high octane race gas is unavailable to mix in lower octane fuel.

I've used TORCO in my FRS since 2012, stock and boosted, when I got a bad batch of 94 that showed knock, in travel through areas with no 94, or at Mosport , Cayuga etc. when the pumps are closed. The small amount (of TORCO) required to bring it up to 94 makes it economical.

In those conditions of over 7 years use, no problems were caused. All it did was leave an orange colour to the plugs and cat, and the cat did not plug up.

I am assuming the new competitors to Torco are similar.

:cheers:

You can get vp race gas and e85 locally.

E85 in the GTA? Where? And how much $$?

I'd like to know the answer to this too...

Last I checked, only FT86Motorsports carried E85. You can always import it by the barrel yourself. VP and race gas can be bought by the barrel pretty easily if you know where to check.

Buying by the barrel is hugely cost prohibitive unless you're only using it for special occasions. You also need to be able to store it properly to keep moisture out of the drum once opened.

A 5 gallon drum (19L) is like $80-$100 Canadian IIRC, and a 55 gallon drum (208L) is like $500-$800 Canadian (depending on brand, etc), plus shipping.

Touge Tuning was selling it for about $2.50/L a while ago, not sure if they still do at all or what the prices are like now.

Assuming the cheapest prices, you're still looking at almost double the cost of pump gas, plus then have to take into account the extra consumption from it burning richer. It's way better than traditional race gas, but still not cheap at all like it is down in the US where it's usually cheaper than regular pump gas.


Not sure about the RaceGas additive, but Boostane would need about 12oz added to a full tank to bring 93 octane up to 100 octane, and a can of 32oz is under $30 Canadian (based on exchange only, haven't looked to buy it locally). Much cheaper than e85 on a per tank basis.

Oh I agree 100%, just answering the question above. It's really not worth it at all for us up in Canada, but for those odd few occasions that call for it, it can be found.

I've seen few amateur race teams buy it in bulk, or a few buddies get together and split a barrel or two over the summer.

Is boostane available in Canada? When I first when shopping for an octane additive it wasn't.

I saw Sasha using RaceGas so I tried that and it's been great.

I've seen this article at Touge Tuning. I may try it. I see it at a local shop.


https://tougetuning.com/do-octane-bo...roven-results/

Thanks, Glenn!


Nice that it's available in 5 gallon pails. Looks like that will drop the cost by about 50% compared to buying the 32oz cans.

Thanks for sharing some good points. I also see real real value in going from 94 Octane to approximately 99-100 Octane.
Orange plugs will definitely happen with octane boosters. In regards to that bad batch of 94 Octane you experienced... its always good to have 91 Octane back up map!

I rather go with an Octane booster any day!

I didn't know they had this in 5 gallon pails, how accurate is this information?

If so you just need to buy a measuring device so you can measure 32oz of additive each time or whatever your tune calls for.

My back up is for real race gas lol ! ;)

No tune is required when you put in the Boostane right?

No new toon required.
No significant advantage unless gas used is under octane required.

:thumbsup:

I am still having issues with knock using BC 94 Chevron Gas on my Cosworth SC BRZ (2018 model), a reputable tuner here said the 94 gas I am using behaves like 89.

I added a can of 16 oz Boostane Premium in a full tank of 94, it doesn't help per the tuner.

I am thinking to pour another bottle of Premium and see if it works.

My experiences are with TORCO which was long used by the racing community before BOOSTANE was around.
Torco always brought up the octane sufficiently with bad gas, the lower the octane the greater amount of TORCO.
The most I have ever used to stop knock was half a can. Normally it only takes a few ounces with under octane fuel. I can see the knock values drop as the fuel reaches the plugs until the IAM reads 1.
I still only use Torco.

Remember- the fuel lines are full of lower octane gas if the previous user didn't pump 94 and I don't wait and watch to get behind someone who uses
94 - hence the Torco.
:cheers:

I was always curious, any idea how much fuel is in the lines before a different octane makes it into the tank?

I try and let my car get down to around 1/3 or 1/4 tank so I can sufficiently fill it with the most 94 possible. I deal with the same issue at petro with shared tanks using 87-94.

Enough to cause knock, (when stock, and with my built long block with supercharger).
After driving for a while on a new fill of polluted 94, I see knock, add a few ounces, try again if IAM doesn't move to 1.
Usually the first few ounces of Torco in petrocan 94 does it.(Still available I believe from BRZWORLD).
Don't know about Boostane.
:)

Hello all - I've been researching RaceGas (Octane boosters) for Supercharged twins and the results are actually impressive. With Boost + 94 Octane + 32 ounzes of RaceGas in your gas tank you'll achieve about 40-50 extra WHP.
My questions is if an individual is thinking of buying RaceGas, a can of 32oz seems quite expensive.
Does anyone know where you can find RaceGas by the barrel or drum in Ontario, particularly the GTA?

Just want to give you guys an update.

I am now using Shell 91 with boostane professional (1 can). It works really well, IAM is at 1 and no more knock on my supercharged BRZ.

For some odd reason, it is actually better than Chevron 94 + Boostane (per datalog). Chevron 94 has a few small correction. No idea why.

I'd like to add a couple of things. To give some perspective, while I am new to the FT86 platform, I am far from new to tuning and much of it has been high performance high boost 4 cylinder engines of Japanese origin.

To the BC person who is using Chevron on their boosted engine, switch to Shell 91 Vpower Nitro+ Has to be the Nitro+ one. For a few years now, many of us out in BC with boosted tuned cars have noticed less timing being pulled, less knocksums etc with this fuel. Replicated at will over years on many different platforms. Datalogs and live data to back it up, not just butt dynos.

And secondly, in no way is water/methanol injection dangerous or "bad" for the engine in and of itself. If you don't stay on top of it, and run out of juice, you can damage the engine if you still romp on it because now it will knock like crazy. I have run a 3 nozzle methanol water injection system for over a decade on a daily driver and on a weekend warrior with zero problems except for a small leak and running out of fluid a couple of times. Both are no problem if you are paying attention. Hell the leak even happened on the dyno. We just noted it and kept going, monitoring knock and timing of course and keeping the tank full.

Have a reliable way to monitor knock. Live if possible. I had converted the cars stock boost gauge into a knocksum gauge so it was a dead giveaway if something was wrong.

Don't be scared of a good methanol/water injection setup. It also cleans valves and piston tops and keeps cats healthy. My emissions testing numbers were always extremely good. many 0.00 results.

If I can find a small enough pump, I will probably do it on my BRZ as well. E85 isn't available to my area and I don't like the lower energy content of alcohol for a daily driver either. Knowing how octane dependent these engine are, I suspect E85 type gains could be had with a simple methanol/water injection system.

http://performanceunlimited.ca/sbfm-...els-m-98-fuel/

Not exactly GTA, but they will make you almost anything you want... bring wallet :)