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soundman98 11-09-2019 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3274326)
OK, sooooo….I'm finally gonna add my wishes in.

Here ya go:

283 cu in, 270 HP, 285 ft lbs of torque.

That ought to make that puppy scoot right along.

Besides, I could work on the engine, enjoy to listening to the back two barrels of the carbs kick in and, with real dual exhausts, and straight thru glass packed mufflers, enjoy the sound of a real engine working.

:w00t:


humfrz

change it to ITB and fuel injection, and i'm good.

frozen mornings and carbs never got along well together.

humfrz 11-09-2019 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3274340)
change it to ITB and fuel injection, and i'm good.

frozen mornings and carbs never got along well together.

hmmmm….I never had a carburetor freeze up on me - :iono:


humfrz

soundman98 11-09-2019 07:57 PM

but they do take a bit more to get going. though it is fun to leave an oil slick behind with all the unburnt fuel(many classic owners in the midwest either haven't a clue how to tune a carb, or choose to run them so rich the tailpipe drips.)

humfrz 11-09-2019 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3274335)
Ah, but that's 270 GROSS horsepower... Net is barely more than the FA20 makes! I bet...

:slap: I know that - I was around when they changed that measurement - which pissed me off, because the car I had lost power over night - :(

220 some HP would still be enough, when you couple it with 285 ft lbs of torque (gross?) - ;)


humfrz

humfrz 11-09-2019 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mrg666 (Post 3274334)
I did almost what you wrote. The car is awesome that way.
270 < 300 HP
286 ft-lbs > 225 ft-lbs
straight tru right after the the header down to tail pipe all glass pack and resonators.
Sound is a bit too aggressive sometimes. I have to control my throttle with civilians around :)
When the engine, supercharger, and exhaust scream together it is like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WClZ...=youtu.be&t=46

Hey, I want to hear that engine run - not those guys singing - :confused0068:


humfrz

humfrz 11-09-2019 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3274339)
Cleaned out the basement last year and found my old carb adjusting screwdriver. Oh the miles and story's on that poor old thing.

Ya, I hear that. I still have my cut in half, smashed head (to make it a British Standard Whitworth size) , open end wrench, to adjust the side draft carbs on my old MG. Yep, many ah frustrating hours with that wrench, to try to synchronize those two carbs - :mad0260:


humfrz

Tcoat 11-09-2019 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3274346)
but they do take a bit more to get going. though it is fun to leave an oil slick behind with all the unburnt fuel(many classic owners in the midwest either haven't a clue how to tune a carb, or choose to run them so rich the tailpipe drips.)

I got good at it.

Humidity went up or down? Adjust the carbs
Temperature changed? Adjust the carbs.
Going to cruise all day? Adjust the carbs.
Hitting the strip? Adjust the carbs.
Something doesn't sound or smell right? Adjust the carbs.

https://st.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/...ck-on-dyno.jpg

cyde01 11-21-2019 05:17 AM

I'm sure people have mentioned my wish list already.

more free revving n/a engine (no torque dip, more up top)
liftback
even lighter!
carplay/android auto (never thought I'd say it but it's awesome)
led drl that's more of a solid strip than dotted christmas lights, also sequential turn signals would be cool
more solid colors!

86MLR 11-21-2019 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3274351)
I got good at it.

Humidity went up or down? Adjust the carbs
Temperature changed? Adjust the carbs.
Going to cruise all day? Adjust the carbs.
Hitting the strip? Adjust the carbs.
Something doesn't sound or smell right? Adjust the carbs.

https://st.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/...ck-on-dyno.jpg

I ran triple webbers on a LJ Torana with a 202 straight 6, after about 2 years of blood, sweat and tears I pulled them and put on a 350 Holley.

Life was so much simpler after that, I did miss the sound though, but not the hours spent every week trying to keep it running smooth.

ZDan 11-21-2019 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3274351)
Humidity went up or down? Adjust the carbs
Temperature changed? Adjust the carbs.
Going to cruise all day? Adjust the carbs.
Hitting the strip? Adjust the carbs.
Something doesn't sound or smell right? Adjust the carbs.

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Originally Posted by 86MLR (Post 3277225)
I ran triple webbers on a LJ Torana with a 202 straight 6, after about 2 years of blood, sweat and tears I pulled them and put on a 350 Holley.

Huh, I never had issues running first the stock 240Z dual 1 3/4" Hitachi SU-clone carbs on my 3.1 liter bored/stroked 280Z engine, then 2" Jaguar SUs. Pull choke (fuel enrichener actually) lever, start car, hopefully remember to move the lever back to normal position after warmed up. Finally got some serious 3x2 45mm OER Racing (Weber clones) carbs, which allowed me to take advantage of big cam and headwork. Gained about 50rwhp! I tuned main and air jet sizes myself on the dyno. Tracked for years with somewhat cantankerous behavior on the street, an then finally an expert tuned it for me and after that no issues whatsoever.

I *never* had to readjust them for street vs track, humidity, temperature. Never ran the car at altitude, I can see how that might be an issue... With the triples, a single pump of the gas pedal to inject fuel from the accelerator pumps and she'd start right up! Had to play with throttle for a couple of minutes to keep it going until warm, but not a big deal...

Tcoat 11-21-2019 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3277237)
Huh, I never had issues running first the stock 240Z dual 1 3/4" Hitachi SU-clone carbs on my 3.1 liter bored/stroked 280Z engine, then 2" Jaguar SUs. Pull choke (fuel enrichener actually) lever, start car, hopefully remember to move the lever back to normal position after warmed up. Finally got some serious 3x2 45mm OER Racing (Weber clones) carbs, which allowed me to take advantage of big cam and headwork. Gained about 50rwhp! I tuned main and air jet sizes myself on the dyno. Tracked for years with somewhat cantankerous behavior on the street, an then finally an expert tuned it for me and after that no issues whatsoever.

I *never* had to readjust them for street vs track, humidity, temperature. Never ran the car at altitude, I can see how that might be an issue... With the triples, a single pump of the gas pedal to inject fuel from the accelerator pumps and she'd start right up! Had to play with throttle for a couple of minutes to keep it going until warm, but not a big deal...

Different setups = different issues. I didn't have problems with my duals on the Corvair or the Karmann Ghia. That 440 sixpack was a temperamental old thing though. I swear if you sucked a fly into the air filter you had to adjust the damn carbs.
Don't even get me started on that damned dual point distributer!
Man I miss that car.

Red-86 11-22-2019 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cyde01 (Post 3277222)
I'm sure people have mentioned my wish list already.

more free revving n/a engine (no torque dip, more up top)

If it stays NA almost guaranteed to have a torque dip. It is deliberately tuned in for economy/emissions targets. Even NA Porsche flat-6s have a similar dip (people just don’t complain as much because they still have way more torque and power overall).

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liftback
This! It would make the 86 my ideal sporty but still practical car. With rear seats down mine already has enough room for my sporting gear, but the small boot opening makes loading and unloading tricky at times. A liftback would make it perfect. Sadly, to save weight and cost, I fear it will stay conventional boot. :(

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carplay/android auto (never thought I'd say it but it's awesome)
Yes! It’s ridiculous Toyota drag their feet on this. At least the BRZ has it now. Which is one reason I’d lean towards the BRZ when the time comes to consider an upgrade. That plus Subaru seem to do a nicer job on interior and exterior styling details.

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more solid colors!
I want Toyota to bring back the orange. Plus, I love the hyper blue, hope they offer colours like that more often.

Tcoat 11-22-2019 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red-86 (Post 3277683)
I want Toyota to bring back the orange.

This is my only wish!
Don't care if it is the same orange and even a nice yellow is fine but these black, white, dozen shades of blue, hundred different greys and the occasional red sports cars are just not appealing to me. Just look out over any parking lot and there is a sea of boring shades that look like a black and white movie.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...72417.1-lg.jpg

JesseG 11-23-2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3277686)
This is my only wish!
Don't care if it is the same orange and even a nice yellow is fine but these black, white, dozen shades of blue, hundred different greys and the occasional red sports cars are just not appealing to me. Just look out over any parking lot and there is a sea of boring shades that look like a black and white movie.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...72417.1-lg.jpg



Lava Orange is such a great color for the FR-S. I hope they continue that with a new orange of some kind.


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