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msaikhan 09-06-2019 01:28 PM

what scca class am i in?
 
I'm planning on trying scca next season, from my understanding i'm CSP. If someone can confirm. :iono:

17x8 enkei wheel with maxxis rc-1
oft tuned stage 2+
coilovers
duckbill rear spoiler
UEL headers catless, catless front pipe, q300

thats about it.
thanks. :bow:

FastWhite 09-06-2019 01:39 PM

The Maxxis RC-1 tires definitely put you in CSP.
The duckbill spoiler is also included for CSP.
The rest of your mods are Street Touring mods.
Against Miatas, doubt you’ll be competitive. But you sure will have fun trying.
You can go more;
Flex Fuel
Intake
Throttle body
Aftermarket ECU
Plus permanent body alterations


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strat61caster 09-06-2019 02:36 PM

Catless FP+Catless headers is also an SP/SM mod. You need to keep one cat for ST*

Edit: Try it out, if you get hooked and want to start building competitive SP it will be a blast, but cutting fenders for some 295 or 315 wide Hoosiers will be a commitment, 'demodding' by removing the 3 things that put you into Street Prepared can get you into a more competitive class with STX (remove spoiler, put stock FP back in, 200TW tires on 17x9's) and you've already got yourself most of a build with some suspension and alignment tuning. Hope you have fun out there!
:burnrubber:

FastWhite 09-06-2019 03:20 PM

What he said.
Also, be aware that with RC-1 tires, your grip levels are very high, which puts extra strain on your half shafts. It has been known for them to blow out.


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msaikhan 09-06-2019 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FastWhite (Post 3254844)
What he said.
Also, be aware that with RC-1 tires, your grip levels are very high, which puts extra strain on your half shafts. It has been known for them to blow out.


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half shaft is axles ? i got the wheels used and the tires came with it. 2/32 left. I have some 200 thread wear tires waiting after that.

msaikhan 09-06-2019 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3254823)
Catless FP+Catless headers is also an SP/SM mod. You need to keep one cat for ST*

Edit: Try it out, if you get hooked and want to start building competitive SP it will be a blast, but cutting fenders for some 295 or 315 wide Hoosiers will be a commitment, 'demodding' by removing the 3 things that put you into Street Prepared can get you into a more competitive class with STX (remove spoiler, put stock FP back in, 200TW tires on 17x9's) and you've already got yourself most of a build with some suspension and alignment tuning. Hope you have fun out there!
:burnrubber:

dam, i don't wanna remove the little duckbill. i do have 200tw tires and front pipe.

FastWhite 09-06-2019 10:52 PM

Local events, I doubt anyone will complain. Unless your a blazing fast and natural driver.
Then they might complain. Seen that.
If you go to a National event, pretty much a given.


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FastWhite 09-06-2019 10:58 PM

I’ve been told that once I do crack (R comps) I’ll never go back. Lol. I went for a run in a Factory Five roadster with A7’s. It wasn’t how fast the driver was, it was how quick his reaction were and how much craziness was in him. They had that much grip.
With that little tread left, run them enjoy them and them put on the 200’s and sigh.
I will try some one day.


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Locust 09-09-2019 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msaikhan (Post 3254792)
I'm planning on trying scca next season, from my understanding i'm CSP. If someone can confirm. :iono:

17x8 enkei wheel with maxxis rc-1
oft tuned stage 2+
coilovers
duckbill rear spoiler
UEL headers catless, catless front pipe, q300

thats about it.
thanks. :bow:

Are you new to autocross or just looking to move into the SCCA realm of it? If you're new to autocross I strongly suggest you just do a year in whatever novice-like class your local region has before you get into the finer details of classing. It's always better to learn the car first before you build it for a particular spec.

If you're not new to autocross you should build yourself a list of parts you want to keep vs. parts you can tolerate getting rid of. See if that matches more closely to STX, SM, or CSP, create a budget for each, and then make those decisions. Also in none of the classes you're asking about is 17x8 wheels going to cut it. You need to go bigger or else you should just not worry about classing at this time.

I saw someone else got back to you on a lot of these items but I want to make clear that you must maintain a cat to be STX legal.

Clutch Dog 09-09-2019 03:09 AM

The wing can be sort of.... Overlooked. Alot of Street touring guys are running non legal lips and wings but it's generally seen as a "missable mod"
Now if you came in with 6 inches of clear plexiglass and risers off the back end that would bring some complaints. Hell in running sti/brz Ts stuff and hood louvers and no one really cares (I'm also not near top pack for running..)

msaikhan 09-09-2019 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Locust (Post 3255570)
Are you new to autocross or just looking to move into the SCCA realm of it? If you're new to autocross I strongly suggest you just do a year in whatever novice-like class your local region has before you get into the finer details of classing. It's always better to learn the car first before you build it for a particular spec.

If you're not new to autocross you should build yourself a list of parts you want to keep vs. parts you can tolerate getting rid of. See if that matches more closely to STX, SM, or CSP, create a budget for each, and then make those decisions. Also in none of the classes you're asking about is 17x8 wheels going to cut it. You need to go bigger or else you should just not worry about classing at this time.

I saw someone else got back to you on a lot of these items but I want to make clear that you must maintain a cat to be STX legal.

I'm still new to it. I've done it 3 times but usually do double runs. I'm trying to get into SCCA just for fun and competition. I thought i have to be in a certain class. The car is my daily and i've done stuff to it just because i wanted to, not strictly for SCCA. So, i'm just wondering what class i fit into.

steverife 09-09-2019 10:57 AM

At nationals, we were told to anticipate the announcement of an import-based relatively open ruleset class in December. It would be a 200TW class.

If STX is too restrictive for you, that might be something of interest.

ka-t_240 09-09-2019 11:00 AM

The wing isn't an issue in a local region event, if someone has an issue with it you can address it at that time. There are updates to this years rules that allow regions to be more lax on non functional "aero" mods in street touring.

ka-t_240 09-09-2019 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by steverife (Post 3255611)
At nationals, we were told to anticipate the announcement of an import-based relatively open ruleset class in December. It would be a 200TW class.

If STX is too restrictive for you, that might be something of interest.

I pray they call it it RICE for the class name/ :bonk:

strat61caster 09-09-2019 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ka-t_240 (Post 3255613)
The wing isn't an issue in a local region event, if someone has an issue with it you can address it at that time. There are updates to this years rules that allow regions to be more lax on non functional "aero" mods in street touring.

*shouldn't be an issue at a local event

Some people get uptight and butthurt about little things, and if there's any amateur level group that represents that it's SCCA.

In any case with the RC1's OP should show up self-classed in CSP and see how he feels after an event or three. I know I saw the STX competition and said "yes, I want to compete with that" but luckily hadn't spent money in the wrong direction yet.

ka-t_240 09-09-2019 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3255664)
*shouldn't be an issue at a local event

Some people get uptight and butthurt about little things, and if there's any amateur level group that represents that it's SCCA.

In any case with the RC1's OP should show up self-classed in CSP and see how he feels after an event or three. I know I saw the STX competition and said "yes, I want to compete with that" but luckily hadn't spent money in the wrong direction yet.

If who ever is in charge of tech/the region/etc has an issue with a taped on duckbill spoiler on a new participants car in ST, that is pretty petty IMO. It seems the reason the "update" happened was to help keep new members engaged and coming back. Many new autocross participants leave and never come back when they show up with useless mods that bump them into classes where they have no chance at competing, then see they are way off pace.

steverife 09-09-2019 04:25 PM

Hell, you can win an overall pro solo championship with louvers on your car.

ka-t_240 09-09-2019 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steverife (Post 3255730)
Hell, you can win an overall pro solo championship with louvers on your car.

What louvers?

strat61caster 09-09-2019 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ka-t_240 (Post 3255727)
It seems the reason the "update" happened was to help keep new members engaged and coming back.

What "update" are you referring to?

ka-t_240 09-09-2019 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3255739)
What "update" are you referring to?

I'll have to go dig around. There was something I saw this spring that was saying it was up to regions to allow non functional mods in ST on a case by case basis kind of thing. Too hard to find that stuff while I am at work. One of our other members had sent it to me.

Locust 09-09-2019 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msaikhan (Post 3255589)
I'm still new to it. I've done it 3 times but usually do double runs. I'm trying to get into SCCA just for fun and competition. I thought i have to be in a certain class. The car is my daily and i've done stuff to it just because i wanted to, not strictly for SCCA. So, i'm just wondering what class i fit into.

While they go off on their infinite tangent discussion let's bring this back around. If you're new to autocross the last thing you should worry about right now is classing. Talk to your local SCCA chapter and ask them if they have a novice or intermediate class and what the rules are for those. If they don't... run STX with some 200TW tires or run CSP. Or you can run time only. Yes if you want to compete for a local class trophy you need to pick a class and be reasonably legal for it but

Give it a season or two with the car before you start to narrow down onto something. Save up money for parts but don't buy anything except tires and a few basics (sway bars, etc.) yet. Ride with as many people as you can. Drive other people's cars if they'll let you.

The competitive landscape changes so much over time that there's no benefit to building for a class when you're just starting out as your car may not be competitive in those classes by the time you have enough experience to put it to use.

strat61caster 09-09-2019 10:27 PM

@Locust most groups don't let you register without picking a class, picking the right one is as easy as starting a thread on a message board with a list of mods.

The rest of your advice is great though.

ka-t_240 09-10-2019 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 3255739)
What "update" are you referring to?

Just above 14.1 Authorized Modifications. Pretty sure this was a recent add.
"Under the provisions of Section 1.1 of these rules, SCCA® Regions are free to allow any other version of the Street Touring® concept which meets local needs. In particular, some leeway in the area of bodywork allowances (e.g., wings/spoilers beyond those allowed in Section 14.2.F) is encouraged at SCCA® Regional Solo® events."


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