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aznchris 07-14-2019 06:46 AM

Stock springs with cut bump stops?
 
Curious as to what would happen if you ride stock springs with a cut bump stop (from a lowering spring install). Yeah there will be more travel because less of the bump stop is there, but what does that mean?

ermax 07-14-2019 07:48 AM

Stock springs have a longer block length so there is the possibility the spring would block before hitting the bump stop.

strat61caster 07-14-2019 12:11 PM

Suspension will be effectively softer through it's typical range of motion so expect more body roll and waiting longer for the car to take a set in corners and transitions.

Might be useful for some rough roads or a sweepy flowy track on non-sticky tires

Cutting a bump stop is effectively softening the spring rate

ermax 07-14-2019 08:04 PM

I strongly disagree with all of that post. The car doesn’t “set” into corners on the bump stops. You have a serious issue if you’re riding the stops in a corner. The bump stops are there to prevent full block of the springs. Removing the bump stop doesn’t change the spring rate at all it simply removes that safeguard of fully blocking the spring.

The car on OEM springs with cut stops will ride just like stock unless you hit a big swell in the road or large bumps in turns and in those situations you may block the spring before reaching the bump stop.

aznchris 07-14-2019 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3236978)
I strongly disagree with all of that post. The car doesn’t “set” into corners on the bump stops. You have a serious issue if you’re riding the stops in a corner. The bump stops are there to prevent full block of the springs. Removing the bump stop doesn’t change the spring rate at all it simply removes that safeguard of fully blocking the spring.

The car on OEM springs with cut stops will ride just like stock unless you hit a big swell in the road or large bumps in turns and in those situations you may block the spring before reaching the bump stop.

Sooo basically, having cut bump stops is effectively the same thing as having no bump stops?

ermax 07-14-2019 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznchris (Post 3237008)
Sooo basically, having cut bump stops is effectively the same thing as having no bump stops?



It really depends on how much is cut off and the exact block length of the OEM spring. It’s hard to say for sure but yes, if it blocks before reaching the stops then they are effectively useless.

norcalpb 07-14-2019 11:50 PM

Why not just get shorter bump stops? It's $100 for 4...but it's technically "doing it right".

aznchris 07-15-2019 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by norcalpb (Post 3237041)
Why not just get shorter bump stops? It's $100 for 4...but it's technically "doing it right".

I've thought about it because I hate permanent change (e.g. wide body leaving holes), but the only ones I've seen are the eibach ones that sells for $25 each (yiiiikes). I don't even know what size you get unless they give you 1 of each size from the picture or something. But eeeeeiiither way, this was all theoretical because I don't even have lowering springs or cut stops. I was just curious. Thanks guys lol (:

Racecomp Engineering 07-15-2019 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3236978)
I strongly disagree with all of that post. The car doesn’t “set” into corners on the bump stops. You have a serious issue if you’re riding the stops in a corner. The bump stops are there to prevent full block of the springs. Removing the bump stop doesn’t change the spring rate at all it simply removes that safeguard of fully blocking the spring.

The car on OEM springs with cut stops will ride just like stock unless you hit a big swell in the road or large bumps in turns and in those situations you may block the spring before reaching the bump stop.

It absolutely does corner on the bumpstops on stock suspension.

- Andrew

NoHaveMSG 07-15-2019 10:16 AM

I bet most coil springs have more travel before bind then the damper has.

ermax 07-15-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 3237136)
It absolutely does corner on the bumpstops on stock suspension.



- Andrew



I’m not saying it isn’t possible to reach the bumps but to say the spring rate changes with bumps stops is just nonsense.

ermax 07-15-2019 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznchris (Post 3237049)
I've thought about it because I hate permanent change (e.g. wide body leaving holes), but the only ones I've seen are the eibach ones that sells for $25 each (yiiiikes). I don't even know what size you get unless they give you 1 of each size from the picture or something. But eeeeeiiither way, this was all theoretical because I don't even have lowering springs or cut stops. I was just curious. Thanks guys lol (:



I just assumed you had lowering springs with cut bumps and wanted to return the car to stock without buying new bumps. Hahaha

NoHaveMSG 07-15-2019 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3237151)
I’m not saying it isn’t possible to reach the bumps but to say the spring rate changes with bumps stops is just nonsense.

The bump stop acts as a spring too. So there is an effective rate change.

strat61caster 07-15-2019 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznchris (Post 3237049)
I've thought about it because I hate permanent change (e.g. wide body leaving holes), but the only ones I've seen are the eibach ones that sells for $25 each (yiiiikes). I don't even know what size you get unless they give you 1 of each size from the picture or something. But eeeeeiiither way, this was all theoretical because I don't even have lowering springs or cut stops. I was just curious. Thanks guys lol (:

Good springs are $70 each, $25 for a quality elastomer spring is a bargain.


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