After open wheel experience I want a BAC Mono
 

:D:D

Just had the time of my life driving one of these things. 140 HP 1000 lbs. Not much but wow was I floored by the experience.

I will embarrassingly confess I derive most of my "car experience" from Grand Turismo and other simulators :bellyroll: They're what made me love the cars that I later bought in life and loved and appreciated as before I was just looking at numbers and stats. 0-60 I thought was everything in a fun cars.

While these simulators did not lead me astray for road cars I've experienced, they sure did on open wheel racers. I did not like open wheel race cars in simulators (not even F1 cars). Go-carts were not fun for me in a simulator. They were more fun in real life but I would choose a regular car over them. But the open wheel racer was a different experience all together. Simulators do not communicate the visceral feeling you get driving these. The noise, the g-force, the vibrations, seeing the wheel hit the curb while cornering. Simulators do not convey any of this well.

The whole experience was so visceral, my BRZ felt like a Lexus SUV after that experience. I had to readjust myself to it :lol:

Now I'm looking at one of those BAC Monos rather than a Ferrari. What an experience.

You know there are sub sections for other topics right? Maybe something like "Other Vehicles" may be a better place for this topic? Maybe?

You are "looking at" a toy that costs at least $270,000 and is not street legal? Expensive hobby.

yeah you're right

Mods, could you please delete this thread completely?

Thanks bye

Or just move it..
I could introduce you to our lord and savior's own chariot

The Miata' Based Exocet..

No! Bad dog! Do not suck me into that black hole. I narrowly escaped it last time I looked at it.

I figger if anything happens to my frs by ways of an accident that insurance will cover.


Id start pricing out my own exo and hang up my "covered fun car" dreams
and settle for an old steel car to cruise and exocet to blitz :bonk:

Can't afford a BAC? Try one of these, an Eliminator, it's street legal and registered as a 1997 Mazda Miata.

140hp / 1700lbs / 5-Speed / No power steering / No ABS

After I drove down the street, I texted my friend "First impressions: Got a rock in my shoe. BUT LOVE IT!".

Like you, I got back in my BRZ and it felt like riding in a luxury hotel.

https://media.vinwiki.com/data/1926/...20/img_960.jpg

What's not street legal?

The BAC Mono that YOU linked.

"The Mono, which will have a starting price of about $270,000 and is not road legal in Canada, can be customized, Pfaff principal Chris Pfaff said in a news release"
https://canada.autonews.com/article/...ck-day-special
For that matter every thing is 2 years old and it looks like you stil can't even buy them here..

Classed as a kit car here and wouldn't last 5 minutes on the street. Trying to say it is a Miata would not work.

Pretty much impossible to do any kit cars in Canada now.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/roa...-kits/faq.html

If it's not street legal in Canada, it's street legal elsewhere.

The FT86 is also "arguably" a toy

all objects of desire tend to be difficult to obtain else you'd just get them immediately and the lust and desire are gone. Hence why the Ferrari comparison.

Also, I post here for the fun of socializing and nothing is taken too seriously. I don't come here for debates. I have other venues for that mental energy.

Have a good day.

Down here in Florida, anything goes. There's a growing "carting" community here that buys wrecked cars at auction, strips them down to the bare minimum and welds cages on them. All the tax office cares about is that the VIN is correct and you pay the fees. All the cops care about is that you have the minimum equipment, basically windshield wipers and the mandated lights.

And if you don't even want to have to comply with the minimum automobile standards, there are now conversion kits for the Polaris Slingshot to give it four wheels. A local guy here is building kits and registering them as motorcycles.

https://dqzrr9k4bjpzk.cloudfront.net.../901529078.jpg

All I said in my first response was that there is a section for other vehicles. This is an other vehicle not a BRZ.

I then pointed out that the car here (if it ever does for sale at all) is incredibly expensive and would only be good for a track. This makes it a very expensive hobby. That is a fact not an opinion, any form of insult or a statement about your desire of one.

You got pissy.

Then you asked what wasn't street legal and I responded.

You got pissy again.

There is no "debate".

The Twins are not a "toy" in that they can be used the same as any other car. Even if you strip them down and use them just as a track car making them a toy then you are no where near the $270K price tag which makes them a very cheap hobby in comparison.


Socializing does not consist of simply receiving comments that support what you want to hear.


Edit: For some reason I thought you were in Canada. I looked back through the 100 or so PMs from you and realized my error. It is indeed street legal in your state but still bloody expensive for a toy. It is fun that you make a thread about praising the back seat in the BRZ and then want a one seat "car" though.

FWIW, I have yet to see a twin show up at track on a trailer. They are all preforming double duty that I’VE seen. I’m sure there are some dedicated track cars out there but the majority drive people to work or are weekend toys as well.

Did you forget that there are other countries in the world? Countries where this is road legal?



What an asinine stance to have on something that you clearly don't know a whole lot about. Between shitting all over the OP who is just excited he had a great track day experience and making yourself look like a dweeb by applying the HTA to his place of residence where it doesn't apply in any shape or form, it's clear you're having a bad day and should maybe use that log out button.

When the OP ended a post with "thanks bye"

That is about as low key snarky as you can get.

This forum is full of day dreamers and that is fine.

The Twins are made for regular people like us to pretend we are "borderline pro racers" and do wheel to wheel racing.

Some on here are indeed that.

Some are people who barely finish in the top half at AutoX.

Most are people who buy cosmetic stuff and shit post about track days and AutoX.

I am definitely a combination of those last 2 groups. I like to bench race and brag about that one time I finished in the top 3 at a group of 30+. When in reality...that one time...the instructors didn't compete and the AutoX day was strictly for newbies (less than 5 sessions before). I normally finish in the dead middle of my group. Good enough to be better than 90% of the "regular drivers" and dead last when put against the semi-pros of the Seattle area.

Anyway, TCoat was just pointing out that this particular thread belongs in "Off Topic" or "Other Cars".

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I'll have you know at my first autoX school I finished within FIVE SECONDS of my instructors time! I'm practically Lewis Hamilton! :bonk:

oh my bad, I guess your tone was lost in "online posting translation"

anyway no harm done. I guess there was a misunderstanding. I apologize for my part.

If this thread does not belong here, moderators can delete, else I'll keep on replying to any relevant posts to the topic.



On this post in particular, for pointing out the thread on rear seats, yes I do love having rear seats in the FT86 and I do love the FT86 and think it's near perfect. But even when something is near perfect, it does not mean that you don't want to experience other things in life even if you perceive them as being less than what you have subjectively.

So to query the point

I thought the reason the slingshot WAS classified as a "bike"was due to the 3 wheels. which is to why they can get away with bar mins in safety and blah de blah

so wouldnt a four wheel conversion take them out of the motorcycle classing?

or is it more like if the vin checks taxes paid and you got turn signals just drive it? I guess it could still be insured as a motorcycle


also I never knew that conversion existed.... might have to look into that

That's what one would expect.

However, when you register a car here in Florida, the only inspection is a VIN verification, and that's only necessary if you bring a vehicle in from out of state. If you buy one that is already registered here, there's no inspection at all. And even if you need a VIN verification, you can have a notary do it so that the tax office employee never even sees the vehicle.

So there's no inspection mechanism to tell you it's not legal.

That leaves traffic enforcement. Can a cop pull you over for driving a car with a motorcycle tag? How, when the VIN verifies that it's a motorcycle?

Can a cop ticket you for not having the correct safety equipment? Again, how, when the VIN verifies that it's a motorcycle?

Can a cop ticket you for illegally modifying your motorcycle? Possibly, but so far I haven't seen any state law that says you can't do it.

Thus it seems to be a legal hole that the converted Slingshot fits right into. There doesn't seem to be anything official saying it's illegal, and there doesn't seem to be an enforcement mechanism even if it is.

If these things were to become a problem, the state legislature could always pass legislation that outlawed it after you spent the money on the conversion. However, this is a state that is staunchly against inspections and allows golf carts to be driven legally on residential streets. I seriously doubt our lawmakers are going to bother, and the cops don't seem to want the paperwork.

That's just Florida, though. People in other states with stricter motor vehicle regulations have run into problems. I know that thing is pretty much illegal as it sits in Pennsylvania. In some states you can't keep the motorcycle registration, but you can convert it over to a home-built, which exempts you from some equipment rules but not others. IIRC Missouri does this, but they require you to pull the VIN tag off and throw it away, replacing it with a new VIN, VIN plate and title issued by the state. So there are some ways around it.

Apparently someone has developed 300 HP and 600 HP turbo kits for them. Now the fun thing seems to be to turbocharge a quad with widened rims and end up with a total weight of something like 1400 lbs.

Too late. Made your bed with your little digs so now you can sleep in it.

:sigh::sigh:

Oh well, I hope I survive life without you :party0030:

I might go get that Mustang after-all because I pissed off the FT86 forum guru :bellyroll:

Anyway Tcoat, I honestly think you're a good dude. I run into a lot of very intelligent people day-in-day-out and one thing I seem to always notice is that they tend to be temperamental. This is you.

If you ever decide to cool down, I have no hard feelings.

Started looking at those 4 wheeled Polaris. Seen this...So much want.
https://i.imgur.com/w9NzUMv.jpg

Also a video of it: [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFRurNdHKuI[/ame]

Still responding? You have a bizarre definition of "won't".

that probably wouldnt pass in california, but it would in states like washington. They dont really ever look at the car unless its a salvage to rebuilt inspection.

And california is starving for money so theyll pull you over just because.

Thats said California LOVES their Kit cars/homebuilt cars ( harken back to the Manx era) So guys in the exocet community are registering their cars that way. Im sure the singshot could do the same route.

I believe that's also how Local Motors stays legal with the Rally Fighter. They won't just sell you a completed car. You have to go out to their factory and work on it with them so that it's a home built.

I think I just saw that on craigslist... LOL

https://bend.craigslist.org/pts/d/be...917740379.html

I’ve watched a few Mono vids and it’s definitely awesome. Doubt I’d ever spend that much on something like that, so this caught my attention: https://rushautoworks.com/car_post/rush-sr-1/

Wait...4 wheel Slingshot? Since it's a motorcycle, can you put a ZX14R motor on it?

I desperately want a bike engined car...