No Manuél.

Can you please link me to a manual twin turbo mkIV for 30k? I'll buy it right now.

touche, got no problems with opinions. But this is about the most nitpicked car I've seen in a while and I could go to any random topic about it today on a forum or ig or youtube and 2 comments in -- "ITS A BMW". I think most serious people who are interested in this won't really care about CG. It's just another topic to bash about.
Don't know how Toyota would make a high revving 4 cylinder without having someone to collaborate with, correct me but weren't most of Toyota's high revving 4 cylinders built with a Yamaha design?
I have no problem with the Subaru collaboration, it was more of a true collab than the Supra. My car has been very reliable and plenty fast/fun.







Can you tell me how you would be able to tell this on your average around the neighborhood dealer test drive? Seriously wondering.
I would think the x2 power levels and 600 lbs compared to an 86 would play a bigger factor in what I notice, not to mention taking in all the controls, gauges, dash, seats, etc.

Sounds like a lot of newbies to this forum...They hear a lot of things online regarding the 86 i.e. a lot of noise. Articles & opinions. And most of the long time members respond saying they should test drive it.

I consider our cars a worthy investment. $25K for a car I get to keep for many reliable years and contributes to my elevated mood, increased smiles, left-leg & right-hand workouts, photography practice, and gets me out of the house it got a little dust on it so it's time to wash it again today.

I think cars are like fashion. Boot cut jeans AND skinny jeans both came back. Today's generation (16-25) still pine over some of the same cars. It might have to do with the fact that gasoline, manually driven cars are still the norm today.
If you mean another generation from now, maybe 25 more years? I could see how that might be much more different.

No.

The two are not mutually exclusive. I read information and reviews about the BRZ before I went to drive one, including negative opinions. Then I went to drive it to confirm or reject the expectation I had formed. When other people come here looking for information, I don't recall anybody telling them to ignore what they read, but that research alone will not convey the driving experience and adequately inform them whether they will enjoy driving this car.

I'm now forming an expectation for the Supra. I'm not going to make a decision based on one factor like a 1" fib about the center of gravity. But it will definitely become another attribute that will combine with 1000 other attributes to form my pre-test drive expectation of the car.

There are idiots that are spending six figures on them, so yes they are becoming valuable. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ls-for-173600/

Please find me an unmolested Supra TT 6 speed that is under $50k.

Two. There have been two that have gone for those prices. Two doesn't make a trend.

A '94 would have cost you about $47K to get out the door. To break even, you'd have to bring $81K PLUS all the cost of holding onto it all those years, insurance, taxes, storage, maintenance, etc. If you started with a '96 it bumps up to $90K plus the carrying costs. Just to break even.

Two cars sold well above the market value during auction frenzy are outliers. The overwhelming majority are big losers.

Try to find an unmolested LHD TT Supra 6 speed period...….

Almlost every supra I see for sale is a RHD imported from Japan (pre-molested)

Exactly.
"bUt ThEy'Re ThIrTy GrAnD"

The point is that in the year 2019, the going rate for a turbo MKIV is not in the 30k range.

A quick check of sales sites shows a Mark IV turbo seems to have an average asking price of around $60K so yes saying $30K is way off base but so is saying they are $130K. In fact the $30K is much closer to the average.


Meanwhile you can pick up a nice looking Mark III for a song with many prices being well below the cost of a decent used FRS.

I didn't mention turbos. There are two N/A Supras listed near me right now for $28K each. There's a '94 turbo with a manual transmission listed for $51K and a '97 turbo auto for $50K. $50K and $30K seem to be the magic numbers, meaning both of them would still be losers as investment vehicles.

Hey, where did that post go?

In any case, here's the link he posted:

https://bringatrailer.com/toyota/supra/

What that scatterplot shows us is that the overwhelming majority of the sales are below $60K and are still losers as investments.

There seven above $60K that are also below the original price adjusted for inflation, so those also are losers.

There are two that are outliers. Both of them were sold during an auction frenzy, and one of them was bought by a dealership as a marketing gimmick.

So that just proves my point. It's a loser. The new Supra will also be a loser, so there's no point in buying one to store away as an "investment." Buy it to drive it.

If it wasn't for a movie and some video games the prices would probably be 30% to 50% less on the MKIVs!
It was a good car in it's day but would not have near the following it does now without the (fictional) exposure it received. The same applies to the 2JZ engine that so many think is the ultimate in technology even though it is an inefficient, 30 year old design.


OK fanboi's flame away and rationalize why I am wrong!