Has anyone been able to A/B a PP versus tS?
 

Hi all,

I have a '18 PP manual that I began tracking. I saw that my friends who started before me all eventually began adding chassis stiffening parts as well as big GT style wings. I was wondering if I could find a cheap, slightly used tS in the future, if it would be a good idea to swap out my ‘18PP with a ’18 tS (the extra red interior bling is tugging the heart strings of the dark, ricer part of my soul.)

Has any track rats here been able to A/B the PP against the tS (or the new TRD 86)? Do the big carbon wing and splitter help stability on track at all?

Thanks!

Its oem aero, man. You're just comparing trim packages at this point, same chassis. Honestly I dont think either package is worth any more than a stock 86 or brz [emoji2369]

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the only thing that matters is the 4.30 diff and the stock suspensions (maybe brembos)

but utlimately ^ is right, its just a wing and lip and some sti braces, that frankly can be had from the parts catalouge. I built a 2018 brz tS outta my 2015 frs and i wish i hgotten the brz in the first place. it was hard and expensive and timely

Right! If I decided I wanted the tS enough, I would just trade in the '18 PP for a tS.

Honestly it would be cheaper / easier in all likelihood to add the parts (or similar aftermarket) to your pp brz. The ts on the used market will be tough to find and likely command a premium.

https://youtu.be/3URmBqZqJUc


BRZ with 17+ dampers/springs and 4.3 FD, with a cattless UEL/OFT tune, and old Azenis.



The TS was a solid second or two faster out of the box. I'd be curious if he could close that gap with better tires, but he speaks a lot about the stability and confidence gained from the rear wing.

I'd be extremely surprised if the tS was measurably faster if both came out of the showroom with the same tires.

Around a fast track, I wouldn't doubt a second or two gained with a decent wing. It would still be a good comparison.



Over all unless you're hell bent on getting the Ts looks with a warranty, you could easily get your sport pack to run as fast or faster for much cheaper.

This is a fact. Ill have a build profile up where i mechanically changed my 15 frs to a 18 TS including all the bracing and aero bits.

sadly it wont be a good comparison vs a PP, but should someday someone put out a video request of a stock PP vs a modded base vs a tS im sure i would rise to the call.

really though my car isnt a good basis for comparison anymore since it is prepped for STX (ish) which means stuff was swapped out over a stock car. (like running V720 225's vs the stock tS' 215s?)

Maybe. I don't see a second or two in that wing. But I'm in for the results if anybody wants to prove me wrong!

TS owner here. I was able to get my car out on COTA recently and get some very "rough" times. I was in blue group (I put myself there since I was rusty and haven't been on a track in years) and was only allowed to pass on the straights. The only mods I have done to my car is a Nameless muffler delete and a Whiteline 22mm FSB, everything else is stock.

The "fastest" time I got was a 2:58, but I was stuck behind a bunch of trains in the turns.

I know a high 2:4x - low 2:5x is easily possible when I can get a clean run in.

As for the wing, the rear does feel more planted in the high speed turns and stable on the long straights.

You also have extra bracing which would lend itself to a different feel.

where you on stock tires?

Yup, same tires from the factory when I bought it. I've done 6 autocross events, 1 track day and daily drive on the same tires.

I've A/B with the same tires on both cars.

The tS is minimally more stable, but virtually no performance increase, due to the sheer amount of WOT time spent in both cars.

@SmoothIsSlow I have an 18 TS with about 2.5k miles that I’d consider selling. It’s a weekend car for me so I hardly drive it. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some new ones that haven’t sold yet.

Mike would you say that the wing offers more confidence to a not so experienced driver, but without much gains otherwise? I believe that the wing gives better high cornering speeds, with the expense of smaller top speeds on the longer straights. So, in total the gains should be minimal?

get the tS. You get added "clout" with it ;)

I drove a tS on track this weekend, was basically stock but has Pilot Sports on it. Was a decent stock car, nothing impressive to make it any better than any other 86 cars. I'll take my modded '13 over it any day.

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