Originally Posted by Guru Woodman (Post 3221701)

I could see myself buying a Supra. First a 86, than a Supra. :rolleyes:

I used to work for BMW in the eighties, when the brand stood for top German engineering. My first car was a 02 series and it sparked my car enthusiasm.
Sadly they lost their way and quality went downhill fast due to cost cutting and poor management.
I wouldn't touch one with a stick until now. I am hoping that Toyota has injected some reliability into the car and BMW some passion. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 3221716)

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3221697)

I would add one thing (98% personal opinion). In it's price range the 86 has very few equals in terms of sports/performance cars. The Supra is in a price range where I could think it is well down the list of cars I would spend that much money on if I was so inclined to move to that level.

Originally Posted by LimitedSlip (Post 3221819)

Excellent observation. Example: 2019 Corvette Stingray Coupe, 455 HP, 460 ft/lbs of torque, 7 speed manual transmission. 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. Base price $55,900 US. Of course, good luck finding a "base model".

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3220570)

I've driven both 86 and Supra at the track and street. I don't claim 86 is more fun than a Supra. Cuz both cars are fun in their own areas.

Both cars have different goals in mind, when Tada-san was developed these cars.

86 is lightweight car that almost everyone can afford (without selling body parts) and enjoy driving. Yes, it's gutless, but that makes this car fun driving fast. For owner who wants sports car while having more useful space, don't want maintenance cost of sports car, want to learn how to drive RWD and like to modify your car then 86 is the one of the best options.

Supra is power car that not everyone can afford and do require several more days thinking to buy or not. Yes, it's not lightweight as 86, but Supra keep pushing you forward and forward everywhere. For owner who's looking to shave every tenth, hundredth of second around the track, don't care not having usable space and to remember what is to have crazy amount of torque to push you back on your seat while going fast through the corner, Supra is the car for you. I wouldn't say Supra isn't mod friendly, but it's gonna be hard to make it better than as is. Of course, it vary by owner's taste... but it's not cheap nor easy.

Which one I liked more? I liked both... BUT lightweight is a def weapon and I enjoy driving the 86. If Supra could shave another 200~300lbs (from stock), I def went with Supra though.

That's my 2yen.

Originally Posted by James H (Post 3222095)

Tada-san did not develop the new Supra, Hans did. Supra is just another addition in the horsepower game. Look at it from a different lens, the new Supra has less power than a C63, not as practical as a M4, doesn't handle as well as a Cayman and costs way too much a Toyota badge. Sorry but I don't buy the idea of Toyota trying to get back into the sport car scene when they cheap out and use a BMW chassis and engine for what's supposedly their once halo car. All the while they invested in building the Lexus RC, NX? how "devoted" can he really be?

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3222157)

How are you comparing only small part of different cars?
Here are some basic specs on these to keep in mind if you gonna compare.

A90 Supra (base)
Price: $49,990
Overall Length: 172.5 inches
Curb Weight: 3,397 lbs
HP/TQ: 335HP/365TQ

AMG C63 Coupe
Price: $68,750
Overall Length: 187.1 inches
Curb Weight: 4,109 lbs
HP/TQ: 469HP/479TQ

M4 Coupe
Price: $69,150
Overall Length: 184.5 inches
Curb Weight: 3625 lbs
HP/TQ: 425HP/406TQ

Cayman Base (PDK)
Price: $60.110
Overall Length: 172.4 inches
Curb Weight: 3,010 lbs
HP/TQ: 300HP/280TQ

With that said, only one I see beating Supra in basic specs is Cayman... but even then, that's extra $10k more with less HP/TQ. Of course, I'm comparing with base model Supra. Even using Premium Supra ($53,990), base Cayman still cost $6k more. All other ones are gigantic boats!

Costing more than other Toyota? In Japan, Supra RZ cost 6,900,000 yen. Keep in mind, Supra isn't regular Toyota. It's GR Supra, so it's brand off GRMN model. If you look at GRMN brand cars, GR 86 cost (4,968,000 yen) that's more than base model Supra (4,900,000 yen).

TBH I can keep going at this number game... but reality is, number is one thing, feeling is another. Just like 86/BRZ, numbers doesn't justify all the driving feel.

Originally Posted by DandoX (Post 3222318)

My three problems with the Supra are in order:
01. Why get the Supra over the Z4? Z4 has optional extra power and a convertible top

02. No Manual transmission for Supra (Z4 will likely get one before the Supra if at all)

03. Styling and fake vents on a car that expensive

My main question that you guys may be able to help me understand is:
Why would someone who likes that platform buy the Supra over the Z4 (let's pretend the Supra isn't the more ugly sister)?

Originally Posted by DandoX (Post 3222318)

My three problems with the Supra are in order:
01. Why get the Supra over the Z4? Z4 has optional extra power and a convertible top

02. No Manual transmission for Supra (Z4 will likely get one before the Supra if at all)

03. Styling and fake vents on a car that expensive

My main question that you guys may be able to help me understand is:
Why would someone who likes that platform buy the Supra over the Z4 (let's pretend the Supra isn't the more ugly sister)?