86 is more fun than a Supra
 

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Saw this video yesterday. Thought as much, but I'm sure it will depend on the driver. like your typical highway pull roll racer will probably prefer the car with twice the HP/TQ. Anyone who wants to whip their car around at high rpm without being forced to change gears will prefer the car 600 lbs less.

More fun than* a Supra

I agree with above though. I'm sure the Supra is a lot of fun accelerating, but you're at speed so quickly. Slow cars you get to go balls-out for a longer amount of time :burnrubber:

^ I came in here just to post that too lol.

I can't justify the cost of a supra with the life I live.


So, the FR-S is way more fun for me. I have been enjoying it for almost 7 years now! I can still remember how excited I was to buy/own it at first. And, though the fresh newness has worn off; it still makes me smile when I see it in my driveway.

Main reasons in the video why 86/BRZ is better:
1. weight
2. steering
3. 6-speed manual
4. visibility

That one was an easy decision for any 'sporty' car comparison:

Manual > Any Auto no matter the price or HP, any day.

Maybe he is referring to a sequence of purchases. 86 exists ("is"), then more fun, then a Supra. Maybe he is going to have a party in between?

I've driven both 86 and Supra at the track and street. I don't claim 86 is more fun than a Supra. Cuz both cars are fun in their own areas.

Both cars have different goals in mind, when Tada-san was developed these cars.

86 is lightweight car that almost everyone can afford (without selling body parts) and enjoy driving. Yes, it's gutless, but that makes this car fun driving fast. For owner who wants sports car while having more useful space, don't want maintenance cost of sports car, want to learn how to drive RWD and like to modify your car then 86 is the one of the best options.

Supra is power car that not everyone can afford and do require several more days thinking to buy or not. Yes, it's not lightweight as 86, but Supra keep pushing you forward and forward everywhere. For owner who's looking to shave every tenth, hundredth of second around the track, don't care not having usable space and to remember what is to have crazy amount of torque to push you back on your seat while going fast through the corner, Supra is the car for you. I wouldn't say Supra isn't mod friendly, but it's gonna be hard to make it better than as is. Of course, it vary by owner's taste... but it's not cheap nor easy.

Which one I liked more? I liked both... BUT lightweight is a def weapon and I enjoy driving the 86. If Supra could shave another 200~300lbs (from stock), I def went with Supra though.

That's my 2yen.

So wait then is an 86 more fun than a Z4?


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Was announced recently entry level Supra in Australia is $85000 plus on road cost so close to $90000.....That's drug money to me, if I had the money I will be buying a second hand GTR anyway, leave the Zupra for dust. On second thoughts I wouldn't ever buy a car that is over $50,000 that's just to much money to spend on a car, that's why the 86 is awesome. does not matter if the Supra is more fun then a 86 its price point is not fun for the majority of people on this planet.

Which GTR, the old Skyline GTR or the Nissan GTR.

You are buying a money pit if you think you can get a Nissan GTR for $90k.

If you are talking about Skyline GTR, standard they are old slow boats, most with rust, from being old, and high milage, for $90k you should be able to get a clean one though, you just need another $90k for repairs and maintenance if you want to actually use it.

You soon get sick of old cars that eat cash.

I hate the Zupra for personal reasons, but, they are a dead set bargain, you get a
alot of BMW for that money.

As for $50k being to much, I take it you never want to buy a "good" performance car in Australia, hell, a base STI costs over $50k.

In other news, original turbo manual Mk4 Supras are expensive as fuck now, even for a crap one.

Hell, I might buy one for my retirement present, maybe not.

Good summary.

I would add one thing (98% personal opinion). In it's price range the 86 has very few equals in terms of sports/performance cars. The Supra is in a price range where I could think it is well down the list of cars I would spend that much money on if I was so inclined to move to that level.

Plenty of good performance cars for under 50k that are 2-3 years old good kilometres as well. I love a bargain but i don't see how the Zupra is one if it started at 70 plus on road costs for a entry level okay that's a new car bargain considering the type of car it is. Would be good because in 2-3 years depreciation would hopefully have wiped out some of its value for us used car guys to snatch up. I had a look at car sales for some reason I thought the GTR's were sitting at 90k but only a few 2009 examples I stand corrected.